[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids.

2006-08-30 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Are both of you doing a umount/mount (or export/import, I guess) of the source filesystem before both first and second test? Otherwise, there might still be a fair bit of cached data left over from the first test, which would give the 2nd an unfair advantage. I'm fairly sure unmounting a filesyst

[zfs-discuss] Re: zfs and vmware

2006-08-30 Thread Stefan Johansson
Yes I did and it works ok enough for me. Hardware: Sempron 1600Mhz 1.5GB Ram 2x80GB sata mirror for the Debian host OS. Currently I run vmware server 1.0 with 3 OpenBSD guests and one Solaris guest. The Solaris guest has physical access to 3x160 pata and 3x320 sata drives set up in two storage

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids.

2006-08-30 Thread Darren Dunham
> > Why not make a snapshots on a production and then send incremental > > backups over net? Especially with a lot of files it should be MUCH > > faster than rsync. > > > because its a ZFS limited solution, if the source is not ZFS it won't > work, and i'm not sure how much faster incrementals woul

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids.

2006-08-30 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Dick Davies wrote: On 30/08/06, Matthew Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 'zfs send' is *incredibly* faster than rsync. That's interesting. We had considered it as a replacement for a certain task (publishing a master docroot to multiple webservers) but a quick test with ~500Mb of data showed

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids.

2006-08-30 Thread Dick Davies
On 30/08/06, Matthew Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes. The architectural benefits of 'zfs send' over rsync only apply to sending incremental changes. When sending a full backup, both schemes have to traverse all the metadata and send all the data, so the *should* be about the same speed.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Oracle on ZFS

2006-08-30 Thread Daniel Rock
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Robert and Daniel, How did you put oracle on ZFS: - one zpool+ one filesystem - one zpool+ many filesystems - a few zpools + one filesystem on each - a few zpools + many filesystem on each My goal was not to maximize tuning for ZFS but just compare ZFS vs.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids.

2006-08-30 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 07:51:45PM +0100, Dick Davies wrote: > On 30/08/06, Matthew Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >'zfs send' is *incredibly* faster than rsync. > > That's interesting. We had considered it as a replacement for a > certain task (publishing a master docroot to multiple webs

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids.

2006-08-30 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Dick Davies wrote: On 30/08/06, Matthew Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 'zfs send' is *incredibly* faster than rsync. That's interesting. We had considered it as a replacement for a certain task (publishing a master docroot to multiple webservers) but a quick test with ~500Mb of data showed

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids.

2006-08-30 Thread Dick Davies
On 30/08/06, Matthew Ahrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 'zfs send' is *incredibly* faster than rsync. That's interesting. We had considered it as a replacement for a certain task (publishing a master docroot to multiple webservers) but a quick test with ~500Mb of data showed the zfs send/recv t

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids.

2006-08-30 Thread Matthew Ahrens
James Dickens wrote: Why not make a snapshots on a production and then send incremental backups over net? Especially with a lot of files it should be MUCH faster than rsync. because its a ZFS limited solution, if the source is not ZFS it won't work, and i'm not sure how much faster incrementals

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can a zfs storage pool be imported readonly?

2006-08-30 Thread Matthew Ahrens
oab wrote: Hi, I'm new to ZFS so I was wondering if it is possible to concurrently share a ZFS storage pool between two separate machines. No. You may be interested in this RFE: 4996041 want to directly access snapshots from multiple machines --matt __

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can a zfs storage pool be imported readonly?

2006-08-30 Thread Ed Gould
oab wrote: I'm new to ZFS so I was wondering if it is possible to concurrently share a ZFS storage pool between two separate machines. I am currently evaluating Sybase IQ running on ZFS rather than raw devices(initial performance tests look very promising) and need now to evaluate whether the IQ

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids.

2006-08-30 Thread James Dickens
On 8/30/06, Robert Milkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Jason, Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 9:35:13 PM, you wrote: JAH> On Aug 29, 2006, at 12:17 PM, James Dickens wrote: >> ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids. >> >> I was thinking today about backing up filesystems, and came up with an >> aweso

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids.

2006-08-30 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jason, Tuesday, August 29, 2006, 9:35:13 PM, you wrote: JAH> On Aug 29, 2006, at 12:17 PM, James Dickens wrote: >> ZFS + rsync, backup on steroids. >> >> I was thinking today about backing up filesystems, and came up with an >> awesome idea. Use the power of rsync and ZFS together. >> >> St

Re: [zfs-discuss] File level compression

2006-08-30 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Sanjeev, Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 3:26:52 PM, you wrote: SB> Hi, SB> We were trying out the "compression=on" feature of ZFS and were SB> wondering if it would make SB> sense to have ZFS do compression only on a certain kind of files (or SB> rather the otherway around). SB> Our observ

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris 6/06 ZFS and OpenSolaris ZFS

2006-08-30 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Louwtjie, Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 12:04:57 PM, you wrote: LB> What are the major differences between the "first" zfs shipped in LB> 06/06 Solaris 10, compared to the latest built's of OpenSolaris? Right now it's 1. ZFS hot spare support 2. raidz2 3. performance bug f

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Oracle on ZFS

2006-08-30 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello przemolicc, Wednesday, August 30, 2006, 9:49:33 AM, you wrote: ppf> On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 06:52:17PM +0200, Daniel Rock wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: >> >Hi all, >> > >> >Does anybody use Oracle on ZFS in production (but not as a >> >background/testing database but as a front line)

Re: [zfs-discuss] Oracle on ZFS

2006-08-30 Thread Neelakanth Nadgir
I have seen the best oracle performance on ZFS by 1. match the zfs record size to oracle db_block_size 2. use the default 128k record size for oracle logs. 3. If possible use a separate zpool for the oracle logs. This is especially true if your workload has a high write component to it. Two

[zfs-discuss] File level compression

2006-08-30 Thread Sanjeev Bagewadi
Hi, We were trying out the "compression=on" feature of ZFS and were wondering if it would make sense to have ZFS do compression only on a certain kind of files (or rather the otherway around). Our observation : - If ZFS finds that it cannot achieve a certain amount of compression it does not

[zfs-discuss] Can a zfs storage pool be imported readonly?

2006-08-30 Thread oab
Hi, I'm new to ZFS so I was wondering if it is possible to concurrently share a ZFS storage pool between two separate machines. I am currently evaluating Sybase IQ running on ZFS rather than raw devices(initial performance tests look very promising) and need now to evaluate whether the IQ que

[zfs-discuss] Solaris 6/06 ZFS and OpenSolaris ZFS

2006-08-30 Thread Louwtjie Burger
What are the major differences between the "first" zfs shipped in 06/06 Solaris 10, compared to the latest built's of OpenSolaris? Will there be any major functionality released to 06/06 Solaris zfs via patches? Will major zfs updates only be integrated into Solaris with the regular release cyc

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: zpool status panics server

2006-08-30 Thread przemolicc
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 01:21:25PM -0600, Cindy Swearingen wrote: > Hi Neal, > > The ZFS administration class, available in the fall, I think, covers > basically the same content as the ZFS admin guide only with extensive > lab exercises. You could not give any ZFS class and advertise it as: "ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Oracle on ZFS

2006-08-30 Thread przemolicc
On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 06:52:17PM +0200, Daniel Rock wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > >Hi all, > > > >Does anybody use Oracle on ZFS in production (but not as a > >background/testing database but as a front line) ? [ ... ] Robert and Daniel, How did you put oracle on ZFS: - one zpool+