Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread Zdenek Wagner
Hi, I am afraid that the subject prefix is just one of several reasons. I have just examined the recent reply by Norbert Preining. Gmail reports: SPF: PASS, DKIM: FAIL, DMARC: FAIL. Further examination shows that the mail was sent from 91.121.174.77 which is listed in SPF as a permitted sender fo

Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread Peter von Kaehne
The solution JISCMAIL uses is following: From: "VON KAEHNE, Peter (NHS )" < 0..0-dmarc-requ...@jiscmail.ac.uk> Reply-To: Rural General Practitioners Association of Scotland < rg...@jiscmail.ac.uk> To: rg...@jiscmail.ac.uk Subject: Re: [RGPAS] The From header is rewri

Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread mskala
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019, Zdenek Wagner wrote: > I am afraid that the subject prefix is just one of several reasons. I > have just examined the recent reply by Norbert Preining. Gmail > reports: > SPF: PASS, DKIM: FAIL, DMARC: FAIL. If SPF passes, then DMARC ought to pass. DMARC is only supposed to req

Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread Mike "Pomax" Kamermans
On 3/3/2019 9:45 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: Isn't the problem with DMARC around the FROM: header? I can not see how altering the subject line is going to make a blind bit of difference when the real problem is that the FROM header still points at the author's domain. Peter It is. The problem i

Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread Zdenek Wagner
Hi all, mere rewriting of the From header will not work. There are four beasts involved: 1. SPF 2. DKIM 3. ADSP 4. DMARC The recipient sees that MAIL FROM says that the mail came from tug.org. It thus looks at DNS, finds the SPF record (in fact a special type of TXT) and verifies whether the IP

Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread Julian Bradfield
In mail.xetex, you wrote: > Hi all, > > mere rewriting of the From header will not work. There are four beasts > involved: Yes it will. It's what I successfully use for my user(s) who want their mail forwarded to gmail, and if it works for that, it works for anything! > The recipient sees that M

Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread Zdenek Wagner
No, rewriting From without other changes does not help. First, looking into DNS, the SPF for tug.org is set as: $ dig TXT tug.org +short "v=spf1 a a:freefriends.org mx:freefriends.org a:fencepost.gnu.org include:_spf.google.com ~all" The sender for the TL list is here in the permitted servers. SP

Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread mskala
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019, Zdenek Wagner wrote: > DMARC can be set as one of the following ways: > * The mail is valid if at least one of SPF and DKIM passes > * If the mail is signed, it is valid if both SPF and DKIM pass > > Let's assume that we have the latter case and we try to "solve" it by > changin

Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread Zdenek Wagner
Hi, your description is exact but I do not agree that there is not a huge problem. Gmail accepts majority of such mails. Only if I display the original message, I can see DKIM FAIL and DMARC FAIL. However, I had problems with forwarded messages and important invoices were not delivered and I was p

Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread mskala
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019, Zdenek Wagner wrote: > problem. Gmail accepts majority of such mails. Only if I display the > original message, I can see DKIM FAIL and DMARC FAIL. However, I had > problems with forwarded messages and important invoices were not It would certainly be better that the mailing li

Re: no more subject prefix for xetex mailing list

2019-03-04 Thread Janusz S. Bień
On Sun, Mar 03 2019 at 16:05 -07, Karl Berry wrote: > Hi - I've removed the "[XeTeX]" prefix on Subject lines from this > mailing list (xetex)'s messages. It is my hope that this will reduce > the ever-increasing flood of dmarc failures > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMARC). Perhaps the Unicode