Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Mon, 3 Sep 2012 20:16:22 +0200 schrieb Zdenek Wagner: >>> Some times ago, I read that babel will be compatible with xelatex. >>> I would like to use babel with french and sanskrit languages, do I have >>> any chance to succeed? > Maintainig babel is important for (pdf)latex which is still in

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 03/09/2012 20:16, Zdenek Wagner a écrit : > 2012/9/3 Javier Bezos : >> François, >> >> >>> Some times ago, I read that babel will be compatible with >>> xelatex. >>> >>> I would like to use babel with french and sanskrit languages, do >>> I hav

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/9/4 François Patte : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Le 03/09/2012 20:16, Zdenek Wagner a écrit : >> 2012/9/3 Javier Bezos : >>> François, >>> >>> Some times ago, I read that babel will be compatible with xelatex. I would like to use babel with french

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/9/4 Philip TAYLOR : > > > Zdenek Wagner wrote: > >> I know that French uses tiny spaces preceding double punctuation. >> IMHO it should be a property of a font, not of a typesetting system. > > > Presumably you mean "a user-selectable property" rather than a static > property (one would not wa

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Tue, 4 Sep 2012 11:45:53 +0200 schrieb Zdenek Wagner: > Here luatex has an advantage that > such features can be injected via lua without changing the font (if > you know how to do it). I prefer this way because active characters > may break some macros, eg a macro may expect an argument delim

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Philip TAYLOR
I am confused, Zdeněk : Zdenek Wagner wrote: Not the font, only the language. but in your earlier message you wrote "IMHO it should be a property of a font, not of a typesetting system." So I am not at all clear what you are advocating : are you saying that it should be (a) a static pro

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/9/4 Philip TAYLOR : > I am confused, Zdeněk : > > >>> Zdenek Wagner wrote: > > >> Not the font, only the language. > > > but in your earlier message you wrote "IMHO it should be a property of a > font, not of a typesetting system." > > So I am not at all clear what you are advocating : are you

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Zdenek Wagner wrote: Language feature of a font. OK, now understood, but this does not address my concern regarding the countless extant fonts that do not have such a feature. Would it not be better to postulate a solution that can be used with any extant font ? ** Phil.

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/9/4 Philip TAYLOR : > > > Zdenek Wagner wrote: > >> Language feature of a font. > > > OK, now understood, but this does not address my concern > regarding the countless extant fonts that do not have > such a feature. Would it not be better to postulate > a solution that can be used with any e

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/9/4 Philip TAYLOR : > > > Zdenek Wagner wrote: > >> If the system offered inserting features dynamically without requiring >> users to understand font internals, it would be even better. > > > Hear hear. As one who sits only on the edge of typography and > ?fontography?, I find the present Xe

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Zdenek Wagner wrote: If the system offered inserting features dynamically without requiring users to understand font internals, it would be even better. Hear hear. As one who sits only on the edge of typography and ?fontography?, I find the present XeTeX interface almost unusable, requiri

Re: [XeTeX] babel

2012-09-04 Thread Javier Bezos
Maintainig babel is important for (pdf)latex which is still in use but for XeLaTeX I would suggest polyglossia which already works. I would add the new version of babel won't make things to work automagically. Rather it will provide some tools to ease making language files compatible with xete