Re: [XeTeX] Nastaliq [was: The future of XeTeX]

2012-08-02 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi Again, I am now trying to grock LuaTeX otfload, that is ContTexts font loading system. >From what I have understood so far in order get things started is a >GDEF-feature and GPOS Lookup support in the font.loader and font-otf.lua. Do you know off hand, if these features are already implemente

Re: [XeTeX] Nastaliq [was: The future of XeTeX]

2012-08-02 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/8/2 Keith J. Schultz : > Hi Again, > > I am now trying to grock LuaTeX otfload, that is ContTexts font loading > system. > >From what I have understood so far in order get things started is a > >GDEF-feature > and GPOS Lookup support in the font.loader and font-otf.lua. > > Do you know off h

Re: [XeTeX] Nastaliq [was: The future of XeTeX]

2012-08-02 Thread Khaled Hosny
But that is not Nastaliq specific (Arabic Typesetting uses cursive attachments extensively too, my Naskh font uses them occasionally as well). So, any sufficiently complex font will have issues with such engines, Nastaliq or not. Regards, Khaled On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 04:40:55AM +0200, Adam Twa

Re: [XeTeX] Nastaliq [was: The future of XeTeX]

2012-08-02 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 10:28:57PM -0400, Mike Maxwell wrote: > On 8/1/2012 6:48 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote: > >I remember specifically testing some Nastaliq fonts and Hans fixing some > >small issues I found, I just tested again now and IranNastaliq seems to > >work (my fork of Nafees Nastaleeq is bro

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread BPJ
On 2012-08-01 13:44, Zdenek Wagner wrote: 2012/8/1 BPJ : On 2012-08-01 01:48, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: How does this affect what one can do with lua in luatex? It does not, really. And this is not relevant to a discussion about XeTeX.

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/8/2 BPJ : > On 2012-08-01 13:44, Zdenek Wagner wrote: >> >> 2012/8/1 BPJ : >>> >>> On 2012-08-01 01:48, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: >>> >How does this > affect what one can do with lua in luatex? It does not, real

Re: [XeTeX] Nastaliq [was: The future of XeTeX]

2012-08-02 Thread Adam Twardoch (List)
I didnot say it's Nastaleeq-specific, or exclusive to Nastaleeq. But Nastaleeq is possibly the most relevant script variant that heavily relies on cursive attachment in OpenType. Sent from my mobile phone. On 02.08.2012, at 10:53, Khaled Hosny wrote: > But that is not Nastaliq specific (Arab

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 01.08.2012 um 13:37 schrieb Simon Spiegel: > Similar with microtype for XeTeX. Until I'm mistaken we still only have parts > of microtype implemented for XeTeX and only in a beta version of microtype. > Again I hear that this should be doable for XeTeX but nothing has happened so > far. Xe

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/2 Peter Dyballa : > XeTeX has been patched to enable micro-typography in TeX Live 2009. To make > use of it you need the microtype package v2.5, beta (microtype-xetex.def). > This came with TeX Live 2010. AFAIK only protusion. I doubt that expansion is possible with XeTeX. Best Martin

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/8/2 Martin Schröder : > 2012/8/2 Peter Dyballa : >> XeTeX has been patched to enable micro-typography in TeX Live 2009. To make >> use of it you need the microtype package v2.5, beta (microtype-xetex.def). >> This came with TeX Live 2010. > > AFAIK only protusion. I doubt that expansion is p

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 02.08.2012 um 14:53 schrieb Martin Schröder: > AFAIK only protusion. I doubt that expansion is possible with XeTeX. It's just as with DVI output. (I presume DVI and XDV must be related somehow.) -- Mit friedvollen Grüßen Pete Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a night, but set a ma

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Wed, 1 Aug 2012 19:28:44 +0200 schrieb Keith J. Schultz: > As has been mentioned the source and programming rational behind > LuaTeX is not documented, at least not publically. LuaTeX itself has a documentation. The font loader code used by context and luaotfload is the problem. -- Ulrik

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/1 Keith J. Schultz : > As has been mentioned the source and programming rational behind > LuaTeX is not documented, at least not publically. Even if one would > do the programming their is no guarantee that the code will be used or > allowed. There have been numerous papers and talks by the

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/8/2 Peter Dyballa : > > Am 02.08.2012 um 14:53 schrieb Martin Schröder: > >> AFAIK only protusion. I doubt that expansion is possible with XeTeX. > > It's just as with DVI output. (I presume DVI and XDV must be related somehow.) > XDV is an extensin of DVI. > -- > Mit friedvollen Grüßen > >

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Chris Travers
if I may be so bold as to jump in. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Simon Spiegel wrote: > > On 01.08.2012, at 15:45, Philip TAYLOR wrote: > >> >> >> Simon Spiegel wrote: >> >> > And it might be a good idea to come up with ideas how we can find this >> > someone. >> >> "ideas how we can ..."

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread John Was
Hello. I would certainly try to contribute financially (though now isn't the best time!) for someone (or a team) to develop a 'custom kerning' feature that would allow XeTeX users to add to and modify the kerning pairs of a font without actually intervening in the font, with a rubric like this

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi Martin, I answering this as it goes for any software project. Those papers are nice and can help in general understanding, but they are to be of real use to a real programmer. Furthermore, if the are really relevant than then should be part of the source code distribution. There are differen

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
> EOD: This is not the place for discussions about LuaTeX. > > Best >   Martin > I fully agree with this remark. I suppose there are special lists for people interested in luaTeX and/or Context. A.S.   -- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece --

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
Hello, I have read all these messages and frankly I think we need less talking and more coding. If anyone has the knowledge, the time and the energy to get involved, that would help greatly the project. Personally, I would like to help, but I have to wait until Autumn: in the summer one cann

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: I fully agree with this remark. I suppose there are special lists for people interested in luaTeX and/or Context. but are there special lists for people interested in both XeTeX /and/ LuaTeX (let us compare only like with like) ? If not (and I think not), then it

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-02 Thread Keith J. Schultz
Hi All, No, Apostolos is right. Things got a little to OT. I apologize. I will next time listen to my inner feelings. regards Keith. Am 02.08.2012 um 17:38 schrieb Philip TAYLOR : > > > Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: > >> I fully agree with this remark. I suppose there are >> special