Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread John Was
Actually it was Syriac and the compositor was John Bowley... John - Original Message - From: "Gareth Hughes" To: "Unicode-based TeX for Mac OS X and other platforms" Sent: 23 October 2010 17:41 Subject: Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community On the ma

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread John Was
I'm afraid the hyphenation rot had set in well before 1996. Any publisher that can list bio|graph|ic|al and biog|raphy in adjacent entries to its published dictionary of hyphenation points (The Oxford Colour Spelling Dictionary) clearly needs to be treated with caution on such matters! (The s

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread John Was
Ah, we differ. I know John Bowley (who is still alive) had that experience with a long stretch of Syriac - possibly in the Journal of Theological Studies but I'm not sure, and I couldn't name the author in question. Ross, the Aristotelian scholar, was shocked to discover that the compositors d

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread John Was
Is there some mistake? The Oxford Guide to Style does have pretty extensive coverage of word division in each of its language sections (which are numerous): Greek word division is section 11.25.4 on page 299, for example. (Some fairly awful typos throughout that work, including a couple on tha

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd)
John Was wrote: Is there some mistake? The Oxford Guide to Style does have pretty extensive coverage of word division in each of its language sections (which are numerous): Greek word division is section 11.25.4 on page 299, for example. (Some fairly awful typos throughout that work, including

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 08:45:25AM +0100, John Was wrote: > I used to dream of a system > which would allow ranking of hyphenation points, though it's a pretty immense > task; the solitary one in biography' is surely unacceptable.) I read that Taco is planning for weighted hyphenation in luatex, s

Re: [XeTeX] minipage bidi problem

2010-10-24 Thread Vafa Khalighi
Report an issue http://bitbucket.org/vafa/bidi/issues/new and wait until it is fixed. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Juan Acevedo wrote: > Hello again > > The desired output of the following minimal file is attached: two columns, > the one on the left, a short title, being vertically aligned

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread Dominik Wujastyk
Frank Liang's Patgen algorithms allow for ranking of hyphenation points, if I recall correctly, but that information is thrown away by TeX. Dominik On 24 October 2010 09:45, John Was wrote: > I'm afraid the hyphenation rot had set in well before 1996. Any > publisher that can list bio|graph|i

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> Frank Liang's Patgen algorithms allow for ranking of hyphenation points, if > I recall correctly, but that information is thrown away by TeX. Do you mean the numbers ranging from 1 to 9 that are present in the hyphenation patterns? They're not meant for ranking the hyphenation points, but mer

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread Dominik Wujastyk
Here's what TeX does with "biography" and "biographical" (using \showhyphens). The first item is the result with British English hyphenation patterns loaded. The second is with the USA patterns loaded (ugh!). 1. Underfull \hbox (badness 1) in paragraph at lines 6--6 [] \OT1/cmr/m/n/10

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 08:16:07PM +0200, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: >1. Underfull \hbox (badness 1) in paragraph at lines 6--6 >[] \OT1/cmr/m/n/10 bio-graphy bio-graph-ical >2. Underfull \hbox (badness 1) in paragraph at lines 9--9 >[] \OT1/cmr/m/n/10 bi-og-ra-phy bi-o-graph-i

Re: [XeTeX] arabic

2010-10-24 Thread Kamal Abdali
Dear Khaled, You are absolutely correct that collation is language-dependent. In fact, at least in Urdu there seems some disagreement about the place of at least two letters and a vagueness about defining the order for vocalized words (i.e., after inserting the short vowels that are generally omit

Re: [XeTeX] (Xe)LaTeX output in a non-(Xe)LaTeX scholarly community

2010-10-24 Thread John Was
Hmm. I would say that straightforward application of the old rules yields what still seems to me to be the best (and fairly obvious) set of choices: bio-gra-phy bio-gra-phi-cal Viz.: break at clear etymological divisions and otherwise take over consonants (treating ph as consonant, of course)

Re: [XeTeX] arabic

2010-10-24 Thread Kamal Abdali
Thanks, Ross, for your effort to tame makeindex for the Arabic script. I also came across an interesting Persian sample that uses xepersian and makeindex. The pdf and tex source are at http://www.parsilatex.com/joomla/attachments/vahid-seminar.pdf http://www.parsilatex.com/joomla/attac

Re: [XeTeX] arabic

2010-10-24 Thread Kamal Abdali
Hi Houda, Ross, and others, In the previous message, I had mentioned Vahid Damanafshan's sample mathematical document in Persian that uses makeindex with xepersian. With some trivial improvisation, the TeX source ran successfully and almost duplicated the original pdf. The index generation seems s

Re: [XeTeX] arabic

2010-10-24 Thread Herbert Schulz
On Oct 24, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Kamal Abdali wrote: > > Ross: The steps in TeXShop were exactly the same as needed with an English > document: TeX engine command twice; Makeindex command once; TeX engine > command once again. TeXShop has built-in keys and menus for both. MakeIndex > worked without

Re: [XeTeX] arabic

2010-10-24 Thread Ross Moore
Hi Kamal, On 25/10/2010, at 6:05 AM, Kamal Abdali wrote: > Thanks, Ross, for your effort to tame makeindex for the Arabic script. > > I also came across an interesting Persian sample that uses xepersian and > makeindex. The pdf and tex source are at > http://www.parsilatex.com/joomla/att

Re: [XeTeX] arabic

2010-10-24 Thread Vafa Khalighi
xepersian does not change arabic counter and that is why makeindex work with no problem. but polyglossia changes it and I have mentioned several times that changing arabic counter has many side effects. Note that makeindex gives you arabic alphabets. -- I prefer the most bloodcurdling death to li