Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread mskala
On Fri, 4 Nov 2011, Reinhard Kotucha wrote: > As far as paper size is concerned, as mentioned by Matthew Skala, this > information belongs into each document too. However, there are some > situations where default settings can be useful though, for instance > if you exchange TeX source files with

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Reinhard Kotucha
On 2011-11-04 at 10:21:41 +, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > Suggestion for TeX Live installation 2012 : > Ask the user for his or preferred language setting, > and make that the default. That would break many existing documents. At least those written in US English. The inform

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Robin Fairbairns
Khaled Hosny wrote: > No idea, but I was not thinking about that, any way AFAIK Lorem Impsum > is Latin so using it to test English hyphenation makes no sense > (incidentally, someone at Mozilla thought it would be good idea[1].) not exactly: lorem ipsum "looks like" latin. (it includes several

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Khaled Hosny
No idea, but I was not thinking about that, any way AFAIK Lorem Impsum is Latin so using it to test English hyphenation makes no sense (incidentally, someone at Mozilla thought it would be good idea[1].) [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/samples/cssref/hyphens.html Regards, Khaled On Sat, Nov 0

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Heiko Oberdiek wrote: And if the British author visits Germany he happily uses \BenutzedieSprache{Englisch} No, wait, without spaces??? \Befehlsnamensstart Benutze die Sprache\Befehlsnamenende{Englisch} ;-)) Only if he has launched the binary by typing : \Teschhh :-) (an

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 02:16:21PM +0100, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 10:52:37AM +, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) > wrote: > > > Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > > > >Now imagine that you send your document to a friend to make some final > > >corrections& submit PDF for prin

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Vafa Khalighi
No that was not what I meant. I meant what change does the knuth.tex text makes to the number of hyphenation that you get? do you get more hyphenetaion with knuth.tex than using Lorem Impsum. By Lorem Ipsum, I did not mean that there is a tex file but only meant the text itself as in http://lipsum.

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Vafa Khalighi
No that was not what I meant. I meant what change does the knuth.tex text makes to the number of hyphenation that you get? do you get more hyphenetaion with knuth.tex than using Lorem Impsum. By Lorem Ipsum, I did not mean that there is a tex file but only meant the text itself as in http://lipsum.

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Khaled Hosny
\input Lorem Ipsum \bye Does not work here. Regards, Khaled On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 12:16:35AM +1100, Vafa Khalighi wrote: > what change does that make if one uses Lorem Ipsum... instead knuth.tex? > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 10:21

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Heiko Oberdiek
On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 10:52:37AM +, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > Mojca Miklavec wrote: > > >Now imagine that you send your document to a friend to make some final > >corrections& submit PDF for printing ... and that friend has set > >French or Russian as his default/preferred

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Vafa Khalighi
what change does that make if one uses Lorem Ipsum... instead knuth.tex? On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Khaled Hosny wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 10:21:41AM +, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) > wrote: > > > > > > Robin Fairbairns wrote: > > > > >except phil doesn't use latex, so can't

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 10:21:41AM +, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > > Robin Fairbairns wrote: > > >except phil doesn't use latex, so can't use polyglossia. > > True. But Khaled Hosny's solution was perfect: > > >\input knuth > >\uselanguage{british} % or ukenglish or UKengl

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 13:17, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with TeX, and the Word was > TeX." ?! It might be that TeX was before Word ;) ... > TeX is, traditionally, consistent across > installations; what I am suggesting is that th

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Ross Moore wrote: Sorry Phil, but I agree with Mojca on this one. I too can appreciate Mojca's perspective ... Has it not always been this way in the TeX word? "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with TeX, and the Word was TeX." ?! Is not this consistency in TeX one of it

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread mskala
On Fri, 4 Nov 2011, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > corrections & submit PDF for printing ... and that friend has set > French or Russian as his default/preferred language, so the printing > house will print the document typeset with Russian hyphenation > patterns. Wouldn't that be nice? This kind of prob

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Ross Moore
Hi Phil, On 04/11/2011, at 9:52 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > Mojca Miklavec wrote: > >> Now imagine that you send your document to a friend to make some final >> corrections& submit PDF for printing ... and that friend has set >> French or Russian as his default/preferred langu

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Mojca Miklavec wrote: Now imagine that you send your document to a friend to make some final corrections& submit PDF for printing ... and that friend has set French or Russian as his default/preferred language, so the printing house will print the document typeset with Russian hyphenation pat

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:21, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > Suggestion for TeX Live installation 2012 : > Ask the user for his or preferred language setting, > and make that the default. Now imagine that you send your document to a friend to make some final corrections & submit PDF f

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Robin Fairbairns wrote: except phil doesn't use latex, so can't use polyglossia. True. But Khaled Hosny's solution was perfect: \input knuth \uselanguage{british} % or ukenglish or UKenglish, all synonyms \input knuth \bye once I realised that "\input Knuth" was neither required nor pro

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-04 Thread Robin Fairbairns
Zdenek Wagner wrote: > 2011/11/3 Arthur Reutenauer : > >  Just edit your language.def file.  Actually, you can create a one-line > > file that says "british loadhyph-en-gb.tex" (not hyph-en-gb.tex!) and > > create the format with fmtutil. > > The British hyphenation patterns are loaded in the XeL

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-03 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Khaled Hosny wrote: Even simpler (assuming the pattern is loaded in the format): \input knuth \uselanguage{british} % or ukenglish or UKenglish, all synonyms \input knuth \bye Works for all etex based engines. Excellent, thank you Khaled. Of course, it took me a minute or two to discover

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-03 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Thu, Nov 03, 2011 at 06:46:12PM +0100, Zdenek Wagner wrote: > 2011/11/3 Arthur Reutenauer : > >  Just edit your language.def file.  Actually, you can create a one-line > > file that says "british loadhyph-en-gb.tex" (not hyph-en-gb.tex!) and > > create the format with fmtutil. > > > The British

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-03 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Merci, Arthur ! Arthur Reutenauer wrote: Just edit your language.def file. Actually, you can create a one-line file that says "british loadhyph-en-gb.tex" (not hyph-en-gb.tex!) and create the format with fmtutil. Arthur -- Subscript

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] XeTeX/TeX Live : Setting the default language

2011-11-03 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/11/3 Arthur Reutenauer : >  Just edit your language.def file.  Actually, you can create a one-line > file that says "british loadhyph-en-gb.tex" (not hyph-en-gb.tex!) and > create the format with fmtutil. > The British hyphenation patterns are loaded in the XeLaTeX format so that you can just