Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia: Support for romanization of CJK

2011-06-19 Thread Andy Lin
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 14:09, Gerrit wrote: > I thought of romanization which is specific to the language the surrounding > text is written in - e.g. French or German. And this is not so much the case > for Chinese or Japanese (except for some words: Beijing in English but > Peking in German). In

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread mskala
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Tobias Schoel wrote: > Am I the OP? (I don't know that abbreviation and therefore I am confused.) But Yes. It's an old Usenet abbreviation standing for "Original Poster." -- Matthew Skala msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca People before principles. http://ansuz.sooke.b

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread Tobias Schoel
Hi, there are some commercial fonts which claim to have a arabic->roman feature (may be reduced to the numbers up to 5000 or so) e.g. P22 Operina Pro. Btw: Arabic->Roman is probably much easier to implement than the inverse. I don't know font details, but from what I have read, it could be

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread Peter Baker
It seems to me (having worked with OpenType fonts for some years) that while it might be possible to make an Arabic-->Roman converter at the font level, that's going to be one of the most inefficient possible ways to handle it. With OT you can make a set of rules that says Here's a 1 followed

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread Ross Moore
Hello Enrico, On 20/06/2011, at 5:42 AM, enrico.grego...@univr.it wrote: > What the OP wants is that "CXV" is stored as a unique glyph representing 115. > Maybe this can be done by reserving, say, five thousand slots in Unicode to > contain the numbers from 1 to 5000 in Roman form that are built

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread mskala
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, enrico.grego...@univr.it wrote: > What the OP wants is that "CXV" is stored as a unique glyph representing 115. > Maybe this can be done by reserving, say, five thousand slots in Unicode to > contain the numbers from 1 to 5000 in Roman form that are built from the basic If you

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread mskala
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Tobias Schoel wrote: > that's a good answer. is there such an opentype feature / fonts supporting it? I don't know of a font that does Arabic->Roman numeral translation as glyph substitution while preserving the original Arabic code points. I'm considering building an Arabic-

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread enrico . gregorio
> enrico.grego...@univr.it wrote: > > > When you highlight characters in a PDF and copy them you get the codes and > > all that it's attached to them. The problem with Roman numerals is that a > > "digit" has different meanings depending on the context. The "C" in "CXV" > > means 1, but in "CMXV"

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Arthur Reutenauer wrote: I'm not entirely convinced that I agree. I would argue that the "C" of "CXV" means "100", not "1"; in "CMXV" it means "subtract 100". At least, that's what we were taught at school ! Yes, but if you want to transcribe into Arabic numerals you have to translate "C

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2011/6/19 Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) : > What is a "kill file" ?  Another platform-specific feature, I suppose ! http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kill+file&l=1 -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xete

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
> I'm not entirely convinced that I agree. I would argue that the "C" > of "CXV" means "100", not "1"; in "CMXV" it means "subtract 100". > At least, that's what we were taught at school ! Yes, but if you want to transcribe into Arabic numerals you have to translate "C" as "1" in the first case

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread Tobias Schoel
hi, that's a good answer. is there such an opentype feature / fonts supporting it? bye Toscho Am 19.06.2011 15:33, schrieb msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Tobias Schoel wrote: if I understand correctly, that way the output still shows the letters or the deprecated unicode co

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
enrico.grego...@univr.it wrote: When you highlight characters in a PDF and copy them you get the codes and all that it's attached to them. The problem with Roman numerals is that a "digit" has different meanings depending on the context. The "C" in "CXV" means 1, but in "CMXV" it means nothing

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread enrico . gregorio
> Hi, > > if I understand correctly, that way the output still shows the letters > or the deprecated unicode codepoints. It should be analog to medieval / > lowercase numbers. E.g. it's still the number 123 it only uses different > glyphs. So when I copypaste it, it shows the number 123 and not

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Alan Munn wrote: This is a useful and friendly list. Let's keep it that way. I had no intention of doing otherwise. I was asking for additional information, not levelling criticism. > Rather than entering into a long discussion with Pete about this, perhaps you could have verified your in

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Alan Munn
On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > Peter Dyballa wrote: > >> You could specify the renderer engine! Fontspec allows >> >> \fontspec[Renderer=AAT]{font} > > Is this meaningfully true for all platforms ? One of the > few downsides to XeTeX is that sometimes

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 19.06.2011 um 15:58 schrieb Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd): I am not complaining : I am asking for precision, which is another matter entirely. So, here is precision: AAT is a proprietary Mac OS X font technology from Apple (maybe doomed to die). It started as QuickDraw GX, on which

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Herbert Schulz
On Jun 19, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > > Peter Dyballa wrote: >> >> Am 19.06.2011 um 15:14 schrieb Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd): >> >>> Yes, but your mail will be read by others (such as myself) >>> who are unaware of either of these facts, and will then

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Peter Dyballa wrote: Am 19.06.2011 um 15:14 schrieb Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd): Yes, but your mail will be read by others (such as myself) who are unaware of either of these facts, and will then be misled into believing that it should work in their platform. The term "AAT" stands for

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 19.06.2011 um 15:14 schrieb Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd): Yes, but your mail will be read by others (such as myself) who are unaware of either of these facts, and will then be misled into believing that it should work in their platform. The term "AAT" stands for "Apple Advanced Typogra

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread mskala
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Tobias Schoel wrote: > if I understand correctly, that way the output still shows the letters or the > deprecated unicode codepoints. It should be analog to medieval / lowercase > numbers. E.g. it's still the number 123 it only uses different glyphs. So when > I copypaste it, i

Re: [XeTeX] Roman Numerals as stylistic alternatives

2011-06-19 Thread Tobias Schoel
Hi, if I understand correctly, that way the output still shows the letters or the deprecated unicode codepoints. It should be analog to medieval / lowercase numbers. E.g. it's still the number 123 it only uses different glyphs. So when I copypaste it, it shows the number 123 and not cxxiii.

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Peter Dyballa wrote: Am 19.06.2011 um 13:53 schrieb Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd): Is this meaningfully true for all platforms ? Of course not. But Blake used Apple Mail to send his message and he also mentions Mac OS X as the OS he uses, where his problems occur. So I tried to use my b

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Herbert Schulz
On Jun 19, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > > Herbert Schulz wrote: > >>> Peter Dyballa wrote: >>> You could specify the renderer engine! Fontspec allows \fontspec[Renderer=AAT]{font} >>> >>> Is this meaningfully true for all platforms ? One of t

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 19.06.2011 um 13:53 schrieb Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd): Is this meaningfully true for all platforms ? Of course not. But Blake used Apple Mail to send his message and he also mentions Mac OS X as the OS he uses, where his problems occur. So I tried to use my brain and mentioned t

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Herbert Schulz wrote: Peter Dyballa wrote: You could specify the renderer engine! Fontspec allows \fontspec[Renderer=AAT]{font} Is this meaningfully true for all platforms ? One of the few downsides to XeTeX is that sometimes a feature is platform-dependent yet the documentation and/or c

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Herbert Schulz
On Jun 19, 2011, at 6:53 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: > > > Peter Dyballa wrote: > >> You could specify the renderer engine! Fontspec allows >> >> \fontspec[Renderer=AAT]{font} > > Is this meaningfully true for all platforms ? One of the > few downsides to XeTeX is that somet

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Peter Dyballa wrote: You could specify the renderer engine! Fontspec allows \fontspec[Renderer=AAT]{font} Is this meaningfully true for all platforms ? One of the few downsides to XeTeX is that sometimes a feature is platform-dependent yet the documentation and/or correspondence never ment

Re: [XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 18.06.2011 um 23:20 schrieb Blake Wentworth: I would be delighted to know where the source of the initial problem lies You could specify the renderer engine! Fontspec allows \fontspec[Renderer=AAT]{font} (other options are ICU, usable for most fonts, and Graphite, usable for j

[XeTeX] Contextual Ligature Problems with OT Tamil Font Converted to AAT

2011-06-19 Thread Blake Wentworth
Greetings, I have recently been using Tamil fonts sold by the font developer Xenotype Technologies, which are conversions of OpenType fonts to AAT. The aim was to allow me to use Tamil fonts other than the default InaiMathi font with Mac OS X's keyboard driver for Tamil, Murasu Anjal. Initia