Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

Mike Maxwell wrote: Maybe: books which need to be nicely typeset (probably not your average paperback), pamphlets, some kinds of technical articles (particularly math), multilingual documents where at least one of the languages uses a complex script, dictionaries. All of the above: also, anyone

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On Sep 29, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Mike Maxwell wrote: On 9/29/2010 9:29 PM, Herbert Schulz wrote: Take a look at and be amazed. Yes, I've looked at this (and I'm looking at it now), but again I ask: who should the audience be for this lshort document, and who on th

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

Alan Munn wrote: Why should the average person need to learn to program a computer? It's like asking why they should learn to repair their fridge. But of course when a student bumps up against TeX, they are confronted with many things which are truly out of their actual experience with

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

Herbert Schulz wrote: On Sep 29, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Mike Maxwell wrote: ... Maybe a few people use it to produce greeting cards or wedding invitations or something. Howdy, Take a look at and be amazed. Not that that is really representative of w

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On 9/29/2010 9:29 PM, Herbert Schulz wrote: Take a look at and be amazed. Yes, I've looked at this (and I'm looking at it now), but again I ask: who should the audience be for this lshort document, and who on the other hand is not an appropriate target for pros

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On Sep 29, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Mike Maxwell wrote: > ... > Maybe a few people use it to produce greeting cards or wedding invitations > or something. Howdy, Take a look at and be amazed. Not that that is really representative of what folks do with TeX. I jus

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On Sep 29, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Will Robertson wrote: > On 2010-09-30 07:10:07 +0930, Philipp Stephani said: > >> [Beginners] don't know what a text file or a text editor is, they have never >> heard the word "Unicode", and they have never used a programming language >> before. What they need ar

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On 9/29/2010 8:39 PM, Andy Lin wrote: lshort needs to be updated, not just because it's missing sections on Unicode and XeTeX. It's also working under the assumption that people will *need* to use the command line in order to process a document. This should be a concern to anyone who's looked at

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On 2010-09-30 07:10:07 +0930, Philipp Stephani said: [Beginners] don't know what a text file or a text editor is, they have never heard the word "Unicode", and they have never used a programming language before. What they need are step- by-step instructions that tell them, in simple words, h

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On Sep 29, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Alan Munn wrote: > ... > Now for some off topic continuation: > > I would be willing to bet that *fewer* high school/college students have ever > written a computer program now than 20 or 30 years ago. Instead, what gets > taught (if anything) is how to use (and I

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

lshort needs to be updated, not just because it's missing sections on Unicode and XeTeX. It's also working under the assumption that people will *need* to use the command line in order to process a document. This should be a concern to anyone who's looked at it recently. And while lshort is a very

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On Sep 29, 2010, at 6:53 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 06:42:42PM -0400, Alan Munn wrote: On Sep 29, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: Am 29.09.2010 um 23:40 schrieb Philipp Stephani: reality is approximately as follows: Users who read beginner documents such as ls

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 07:00:35PM -0400, Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: > Khaled Hosny wrote: > > > >Well, I myself graduated last month, so... > > > So ... CONGRATULATIONS, Khaled! Thank you :) (though this was not the point :) ) -- Khaled Hosny Arabic localiser and member of Arabeyes.org te

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

Khaled Hosny wrote: Well, I myself graduated last month, so... So ... CONGRATULATIONS, Khaled! -- United in adoration of Jesus, fr. michael gilmary, mma Most Holy Trinity Monastery 67 Dugway Road Petersham, MA 01366-9725 www.MaroniteMonks.org -

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 06:42:42PM -0400, Alan Munn wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > > > >Am 29.09.2010 um 23:40 schrieb Philipp Stephani: > > > >>reality is approximately as follows: Users who read beginner > >>documents such as lshort don't want to use TeX, but a

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On Sep 29, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: Am 29.09.2010 um 23:40 schrieb Philipp Stephani: reality is approximately as follows: Users who read beginner documents such as lshort don't want to use TeX, but are forced to do so by their advisor. They don't want to read discussions abo

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

Philipp Stephani wrote: Beginners usually know how to visit web sites and how to create simple documents in Microsoft Word OK, so let's teach them how to create Unicode TeX sources using MS Word :-) Just as an experiment, I tried it; the "Save as" was the hard part, since UTF-8 was not offe

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

Am 29.09.2010 um 23:40 schrieb Philipp Stephani: reality is approximately as follows: Users who read beginner documents such as lshort don't want to use TeX, but are forced to do so by their advisor. They don't want to read discussions about the pros and cons of various text editors or why

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

Am 29.09.2010 um 21:26 schrieb Philip Taylor (Webmaster, Ret'd): > > > Tobias Schoel wrote: > >> I wouldn't recommend anything other than kile for linux users. for me it >> offers the fastest way of texing. >> >> I tried emacs when we got the task of learning and testing a bit of lisp >> in u

Re: [XeTeX] Monospace font, not being set in monospace

On 29 Sep 2010, at 04:39, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > I'd like to use the commercial font "Pro Typewriter Underwood," from > http://www.vintagetype.com/, with XeLaTeX, to produce a close > approximation of old-style typewriter output. But I can't get it to > correctly recognize that the fo

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

Tobias Schoel wrote: I wouldn't recommend anything other than kile for linux users. for me it offers the fastest way of texing. I tried emacs when we got the task of learning and testing a bit of lisp in university, but I didn't get the feeling "I'm becoming better and using this program seem

Re: [XeTeX] unicode-math problem

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 09:44:58PM +0930, Will Robertson wrote: > On 2010-09-29 21:29:22 +0930, Herbert Schulz > said: > > >Had another update of unicode-math this morning and have no > >problems compiling the file here. > > Right, the two packages were out of sync for a couple of days. It > sho

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

Hi, I wouldn't recommend anything other than kile for linux users. for me it offers the fastest way of texing. I tried emacs when we got the task of learning and testing a bit of lisp in university, but I didn't get the feeling "I'm becoming better and using this program seems to be an impro

Re: [XeTeX] Monospace font, not being set in monospace

Am 29.09.2010 um 05:39 schrieb msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: The two lines should be the same length, but they aren't. I'm only testing with the TeX Live 2010 pretest release and I can see that pdfLaTeX and LuaLaTeX produce correct output (two spaces) while XeLaTeX with fontspec v. 1 fails.

Re: [XeTeX] unicode-math problem

Pete, I see your point. Without thinking on the consequences to the archiving process, I posted my question by replying to one of the e-mails that I received from this list. Please accept my apologies for causing such mess. Apologies that I would like to extend to all members. António Fernand

Re: [XeTeX] unicode-math problem

Am 29.09.2010 um 13:38 schrieb António Fernandes: After updating unicode-math to the most recent version I'm experiencing an unwanted behavior which seems to be related with the keys "script-features" and "sscript-features". António, could you start to learn how to create a new thread? I

Re: [XeTeX] Two footnote bugs in Memoir with Bidi

Vafa Khalighi writes: > > Does this happen with ordinary book class? if not, then this is not my issue and you should direct it to memoir's authors.-- به نام خداوند جان و خرد          کزین برتر اندیشه برنگذرد Clearly it cannot, since the standard book class does not implement a \multfootsep com

Re: [XeTeX] unicode-math problem

Many thanks to both Herb and Will, I updated unicode-math (I did that early in the morning and I assumed I was using the most recent version, but after all a most recent version become available). Now everything is working properly. António Fernandes -

Re: [XeTeX] unicode-math problem

On 2010-09-29 21:29:22 +0930, Herbert Schulz said: Had another update of unicode-math this morning and have no problems compiling the file here. Right, the two packages were out of sync for a couple of days. It should all be working now. Sorry for the inconvenience. (In the future I need

Re: [XeTeX] unicode-math problem

On Sep 29, 2010, at 6:38 AM, António Fernandes wrote: > Hi, > > After updating unicode-math to the most recent version I'm experiencing an > unwanted behavior which seems to be related with the keys "script-features" > and "sscript-features". > > The log resulting from the compilation of the

[XeTeX] unicode-math problem

Hi,After updating unicode-math to the most recent version I'm experiencing an unwanted behavior which seems to be related with the keys "script-features" and "sscript-features".The log resulting from the compilation of the following code:\documentclass{article}\usepackage{fontspec}\usepackage[m

[XeTeX] Power users and EMACS

José Carlos Santos wrote: On 29-09-2010 8:33, Keith J. Schultz wrote: Emacs is just for powerusers. Wow! I did not know that I was a poweruser. It feels great! Thanks for letting me know! :-) Ah, don't get over-exuberant, José : "poweruser" is just a euphemism for "Über-geek" or "Über-n

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

On 29-09-2010 8:33, Keith J. Schultz wrote: I am neither a beginner nor a "dumb user" (which do not exist) but I will not touch Emacs with a ten foot pole. As far as short cuts and scripts are concerned I have the in TeXShop. Emacs is even intimidating to the intermediate developer. Do not get m

Re: [XeTeX] Small caps bug in fontspec

On 2010-09-29 15:50:29 +0930, Andrew Moschou said: It seems setting Numbers=OldStyle breaks \scshape. This example uses Sabon, but it happens with other fonts too. My fontspec version is 2.1a. Hi Andrew, Sorry for this, and thanks for reporting it. The bug fix (2.1b) is on its way to CTAN.

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

I am neither a beginner nor a "dumb user" (which do not exist) but I will not touch Emacs with a ten foot pole. As far as short cuts and scripts are concerned I have the in TeXShop. Emacs is even intimidating to the intermediate developer. Do not get me wrong, it is very powerful and extendable.

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

I do not think there should be any specific editor prposed. Instead a chapter about entering unicode and a few of the most popular editors and viewers should be listed with a short run down of the ups and downs. regards Keith. Am 28.09.2010 um 16:20 schrieb Tobias Schoel: > Hi

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX in lshort

Hi Khaled, I did not intend to say anybody was insulting an another, but the debate was getting there. The question would be is what is a UI inconsistency. Windows has conventions which are roughly followed. Apple has HIG which one is supposed (has to) adh