Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-30 Thread Major Hayden
On 05/27/2015 12:47 PM, Lars Kurth wrote: > ... > 4. Advisory pre-release: > > This occurs only if the advisory is embargoed (ie, the problem is not already > public): > > As soon as our advisory is available, we will send it, including patches, to > members of the Xen security pre-disclosure

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-27 Thread Lars Kurth
> On 26 May 2015, at 17:34, Stefano Stabellini > wrote: >> >> Thanks for the help, folks. I've tossed a proposed security policy change >> into a Github gist[1]. >> >> My proposal is to add this paragraph to the "Embargo and disclosure >> schedule" section of the Xen Security Policy[2]: >>

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-27 Thread Don Slutz
On 05/26/15 16:34, Major Hayden wrote: > On 05/26/2015 11:50 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: >> I would go for: > >> In the event that public disclosure is less than 15 days away, we will >> send a draft with information about the vulnerability to the >> pre-disclosure list as soon as possible, even

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-27 Thread Ian Campbell
(Just adding Lars so he is aware and can run the formal vote once we have consensus on a proposal for new text) On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 15:38 +, Major Hayden wrote: > On 05/26/2015 07:15 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Fri, 22 May 2015, Major Hayden wrote: > >> > On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, Jan

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-26 Thread Major Hayden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/26/2015 11:50 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > I would go for: > > In the event that public disclosure is less than 15 days away, we will > send a draft with information about the vulnerability to the > pre-disclosure list as soon as possible,

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-26 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Tue, 26 May 2015, Major Hayden wrote: > On 05/26/2015 07:15 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Fri, 22 May 2015, Major Hayden wrote: > >> > On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, Jan Beulich wrote: > >>> > > If you were to ask for this only if the time gap until embargo expiry > >>> > > was less than the def

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-26 Thread Major Hayden
On 05/26/2015 07:15 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > On Fri, 22 May 2015, Major Hayden wrote: >> > On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, Jan Beulich wrote: >>> > > If you were to ask for this only if the time gap until embargo expiry >>> > > was less than the default of two weeks, maybe I would buy this. >> > >>

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-26 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Fri, 22 May 2015, Major Hayden wrote: > On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, Jan Beulich wrote: > > If you were to ask for this only if the time gap until embargo expiry > > was less than the default of two weeks, maybe I would buy this. > > I'm good with that as well. I think we're saying: > > if embar

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-22 Thread Major Hayden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, Jan Beulich wrote: > If you were to ask for this only if the time gap until embargo expiry > was less than the default of two weeks, maybe I would buy this. I'm good with that as well. I think we're saying: if embargo_len

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-22 Thread Jan Beulich
>>> On 22.05.15 at 15:14, wrote: > My request is that the Xen security team would send a pre-disclosure notice > of the vulnerability as soon as permission from the discoverer is granted > *even if* patches aren't available. For example, I'd like to receive a > notice saying "there's a vulnera

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-22 Thread Major Hayden
On 05/22/2015 02:40 AM, Jan Beulich wrote: > I realize this is being written under the impression of XSA-133, where > the usual 2 week window between pre-disclosure and public disclosure > was (almost) missing. But that's an exception, not the rule. Are you > saying that the usual 2 week advance no

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-22 Thread Jan Beulich
>>> On 21.05.15 at 15:03, wrote: > Would it be possible to send out a pre-disclosure notice as soon as > permission is granted from the discoverer and the vulnerability is verified > as valid? In other words, could a pre-disclosure email be sent to parties on > the pre-disclosure list *PRIOR*

[Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-21 Thread Major Hayden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello there, I'd like to suggest a change to the Xen Security Problem Response Process[0]. The section I'm concerned with is here: > As discussed, we will negotiate with discoverers about disclosure schedule. > Our usual starting point for that