Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-11 Thread Lars Kurth
> On 11 Nov 2015, at 09:59, Lars Kurth wrote: > >>> but it doesn't seem >>> to have a lot of community effort behind it and it too attempts to >>> install dependencies on my machine and wants to be run with sudo. >> >> I believe it has a mode where it simply checks for dependencies and tells >>

Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-11 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Fri, 6 Nov 2015, Joanna Rutkowska wrote: > Can we, the Qubes OS project, or myself personally, help with implementing the > above suggestions? Sadly, no. While some of us do contribute occasional > patches > to Xen (specifically Marek Marczykowski-Górecki), we really work for a > different > p

Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-11 Thread Wei Liu
On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 03:48:42PM -0600, Doug Goldstein wrote: [...] > As far as the compile time support goes I'm aiming for this as well. > I've been working on Kconfig support and hope to get that pushed soon > and the idea being that less mature features can be kept off until > they're ready t

Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-11 Thread Lars Kurth
> On 11 Nov 2015, at 09:43, Ian Campbell wrote: > >> Project Raisin is aiming to help with this > > Indeed, and it might also allow us to make some of the above options the > default in the future. > > Maybe in the meantime perhaps a ./configure --ensure-offline or --disable- > downloads which

Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-11 Thread Ian Campbell
On Mon, 2015-11-09 at 15:48 -0600, Doug Goldstein wrote: >  > I'll echo this sentiment as well. Most distro packagers will dislike > this and need to work around some of this behavior in their respective > distros. This is something we have been working upstream to address as well. As it stands I

Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-09 Thread chris
+1... so many great points here that ive thought many times its almost as if i could have written it great post! chris On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Joanna Rutkowska < joa...@invisiblethingslab.com> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > Recently Xen has rele

Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-09 Thread Doug Goldstein
On 11/6/15 11:22 AM, Joanna Rutkowska wrote: > Hello, > > Recently Xen has released the XSA-148 advisory [1] addressing a fatal bug in > the > hypervisor. The bug has been lurking there for the last 7 years! We, the Qubes > OS Project, have commented on this in our Security Bulletin #22 [2]. And

Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-09 Thread Jan Beulich
>>> On 06.11.15 at 18:22, wrote: > 1. First of all, I wish Xen was somehow more defensively coded. To provide > some > examples: > > a. In XSA-109 [5] there was a problem with the hypervisor dereferencing a > NULL > pointer. The problem was fixed by the Xen Security Team by applying a patch > w

Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-08 Thread Low Eel
Well exposed, thank you Johanna. Just one question: anybody knows which EAL level has Xen being certified for? The question may seem stupid, but I wonder if the approach of closing execution path can survive to semiformal or formal verification. Thanks L.

Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-08 Thread w . peter . howell
On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 10:24:00 AM UTC-7, joanna wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello, > > Recently Xen has released the XSA-148 advisory [1] addressing a fatal bug > in the > hypervisor. The bug has been lurking there for the last 7 years! We, the >

Re: [Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-06 Thread James Bulpin
On Fri, Nov 06, 2015, Joanna Rutkowska wrote > [snip] I was then asked to share some more > thoughts about how I thought Xen could actually improve its security > process [4]. Thanks Joanna for taking the time to put these thoughts into writing. I think there are a number of actionable things here

[Xen-devel] Critique of the Xen Security Process

2015-11-06 Thread Joanna Rutkowska
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Recently Xen has released the XSA-148 advisory [1] addressing a fatal bug in the hypervisor. The bug has been lurking there for the last 7 years! We, the Qubes OS Project, have commented on this in our Security Bulletin #22 [2]. And far from en