Re: [Wikimediauk-l] WMUK board election process

2012-10-03 Thread Katie Chan
On 03/10/2012 07:41, Gordon Joly wrote: On 02/10/12 23:03, Andrew Turvey wrote: after all a constitution is not something that we should tinker with lightly, hence the requirement for it to pass with a 75% change. 75% of those present and voting (and those voting by proxy?)? Not less than 75%

[Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
The DT are reporting that Wikimedia UK has been "barred from processing donations": http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9581813/Wikipedia-charity-faces-investigation-over-trustee-conflict-of-interest.html Can we get this error corrected ASAP? It's also in the Wikipedia article o

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Jon Davies
We are on to it. On 3 October 2012 10:29, Andy Mabbett wrote: > The DT are reporting that Wikimedia UK has been "barred from > processing donations": > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9581813/Wikipedia-charity-faces-investigation-over-trustee-conflict-of-interest.html > > C

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
I'm sure I'll throw in my expertise! Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Oct 3, 2012 7:43 AM, "Gordon Joly" wrote: > On 02/10/12 14:51, Michael Peel wrote: > >> On 2 Oct 2012, at 14:33, Gordon Joly wrote: >> >> >On 02/10/12 14:21, Jon Davies wrote: >>> >>Ask Mike Peel about a special project

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Andrew Turvey
I though this was a largely accurate article without any major errors. Far better than most media articles! On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > The DT are reporting that Wikimedia UK has been "barred from > processing donations": > > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wiki

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread fabian
Hi, There are a variety of ways this can be organised. I have been involved in one initiative in the area of Law Centres. You can have simple subsidiaries, or the one we set up in Tower Hamlets is a co-operative, combining aspects of a consumer co-op and a workers co-op. We would need to discus

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
The idea of setting up some kind of social enterprise is a very interesting one. One other service it could sell, somewhat more controversially, is advice on dealing with problems with Wikipedia articles. I think it is clear that just letting OTRS handle it doesn't really work and people need more

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 October 2012 11:15, Andrew Turvey wrote: > I though this was a largely accurate article without any major errors. Far > better than most media articles! The main body of the article is very good. The summary at the top is simplified to the point of being inaccurate. The main article specific

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Michael Peel
On 3 Oct 2012, at 12:12, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 3 October 2012 11:15, Andrew Turvey wrote: >> I though this was a largely accurate article without any major errors. Far >> better than most media articles! > > The main body of the article is very good. The summary at the top is > simplified

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Hasina Khatun
Hi, I was just wondering if I need to wait for this budget before I go ahead and make the booking at the Penderel's Oak and order a cake. Hasina On 3 October 2012 10:52, Richard Symonds wrote: > I'm sure I'll throw in my expertise! > > Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK > On Oct 3, 2012 7:43 AM, "

[Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Morton
(starting a new topic as this is a little wider than the original thread, hope that is OK) I think it is clear that just letting OTRS handle it doesn't > really work and people need more support than just an email address > they can send things to and get back a lecture on Wikipedia policy and > p

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
It would be... tricky to get the idea past the community on Wikipedia, though, would it not? I know a good few administrators who delete any paid articles on sight. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registere

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Morton
> > I am particularly interested in developing a service to deliver training > in use of Mediawiki technology with reference to specific platforms - > i.e.Wikipedia and its sister sites, but also other projects such as > This is a really good idea! It neatly applies our specific domain knowledge,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
Yes, I think so: it needs to be approved by the board before we're allowed to spend it :-) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 October 2012 12:32, Richard Symonds wrote: > It would be... tricky to get the idea past the community on Wikipedia, > though, would it not? I know a good few administrators who delete any paid > articles on sight. I should have been clearer - I'm talking about giving advice, and possibly ser

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
I have started a grant application at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Microgrants/Birthday - please fill in various sections when you have time! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Register

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 October 2012 12:26, Thomas Morton wrote: > (starting a new topic as this is a little wider than the original thread, > hope that is OK) > >> I think it is clear that just letting OTRS handle it doesn't >> really work and people need more support than just an email address >> they can send thi

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 October 2012 12:25, Hasina Khatun wrote: > Hi, > > I was just wondering if I need to wait for this budget before I go ahead and > make the booking at the Penderel's Oak and order a cake. If we're going with Penderal's Oak, then I don't think there is a charge for the function room (someone w

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 October 2012 12:16, Michael Peel wrote: > Of course, that still wouldn't be right - 'through banners on Wikipedia' > would be more accurate. Getting media coverage 100% accurate is difficult (if > only they used wikis…) - sometimes inaccuracies just have to be lived with, > as grating as t

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Morton
On 3 October 2012 12:51, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 3 October 2012 12:26, Thomas Morton > wrote: > > (starting a new topic as this is a little wider than the original thread, > > hope that is OK) > > > >> I think it is clear that just letting OTRS handle it doesn't > >> really work and people nee

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
This is the sort of discussion that should be had on-wiki, just to arrive at some clarity about the fundamental issues. I have raised the topic on Jimbo's talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Replacing_OTRS_with_a_commercial_consultancy_service Andreas On Wed, Oct 3, 2

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Andrew Turvey
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM, wrote: > > Essentially this would require the Board making a decision that it was > interested in looking into the idea and setting up a steering committee to > take the matter forward. This could be done with a limited amount of > officer time. > The board would

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
Again though - and I don't want to shoot the idea down (please don't think I am!) - is this not what Roger did in Gibraltar? One would need to be very careful about what sort of training one provided - what happens if the consultancy trained people from, for example, UBS, to edit - and then UBS we

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Andrew Gray
On 3 October 2012 13:20, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > This is the sort of discussion that should be had on-wiki, just to arrive at > some clarity about the fundamental issues. > > I have raised the topic on Jimbo's talk page. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Replacing_OTRS_with_a_c

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Morton
This is the overriding issue. It is what Roger is doing in Gibraltar - but the issue there more revolves around a) he being a board member and the resulting poor handling the COI (i.e. didn't resign once he had a commercial business in the same scope) and b) the way in which Gibraltapedia interact

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Thomas Morton
Indeed it would. I hope I was clear in defending OTRS as the best way to resolve issues that we currently have, although it needs work! Tom On 3 October 2012 13:32, Andrew Gray wrote: > On 3 October 2012 13:20, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > This is the sort of discussion that should be had on-wiki,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Support service (was:Social enterprise)

2012-10-03 Thread Richard Symonds
I've left a comment on Jimbo's talk page, as I think Andreas' comment there doesn't reflect what we're discussing on the list. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Daily Telegraph error

2012-10-03 Thread Gordon Joly
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/wikipedia/9581813/Wikipedia-charity-faces-investigation-over-trustee-conflict-of-interest.html Bit long? bit.ly has three saves already! Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org htt

[Wikimediauk-l] Dunhuang Project - Silk Road editing week

2012-10-03 Thread Andrew Gray
Hi all, I'm currently working on fixing up some of the details for an event we have running later in October with the International Dunhuang Project, an international group working with a large collection of manuscripts and artefacts from the eastern end of the Silk Road. http://idp.bl.uk/ & http

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Dunhuang Project - Silk Road editing week

2012-10-03 Thread Doug Weller
Minor request, can someone work on the Silk Road article itself where there's been a mess/conflict over the marine aspects of the Silk Road? I was partially to blame for it but never was able to fix it. Thanks Doug On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm currently wor

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet, November 11th and Wikimedia UK 4th Anniversary.

2012-10-03 Thread Gordon Joly
On 03/10/12 12:54, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 3 October 2012 12:25, Hasina Khatun wrote: Hi, I was just wondering if I need to wait for this budget before I go ahead and make the booking at the Penderel's Oak and order a cake. If we're going with Penderal's Oak, then I don't think there is a cha

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Gordon Joly
On 03/10/12 11:53, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote: I am particularly interested in developing a service to deliver training in use of Mediawiki technology with reference to specific platforms - i.e.Wikipedia and its sister sites, but also other projects such as Wikivet: http://en.wikivet.net/Vete

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Gordon Joly
On 03/10/12 12:07, Thomas Dalton wrote: It would be better for a social enterprise of Wikimedians to be providing that paid consultancy than some of the other people trying to offer such services. Sounds very much like GNU and Cygnus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_Solutions Gordo ___

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Social enterprise

2012-10-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
They should have the mop removed. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk On Oct 3, 2012 12:32 PM, "Richard Symonds" wrote: > It would be... tricky to get the idea past the community on Wikipedia, > though, would it not? I know a good few administrators who delete any paid >