Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Gordon Joly
On 30/06/12 23:15, Thomas Dalton wrote: This draft act isn't aimed at publishers, it is aimed at service providers, so it would definitely be the WMF that is considered responsible for Wikipedia. I can't see any other interpretation. Is it true that the servers serve in one country and the squids

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Richard Symonds
There are four servers/squids: pmtpa Hostway (formerly PowerMedium) in Tampa, Florida. sdtpa Equinix (formerley Switch and Data) in Tampa, Florida. knams Kennisnet in Amsterdam, the Netherlands.esams EvoSwitch in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. Nothing in the UK! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 0

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread brian.mcneil
> From: Tom Morris > The reason I think we should think about it is precisely because it's so very > badly worded. > > Without some informed legal thinking about what exactly the bill is likely to > mean in > practice, we probably can't know for sure. Unfortunately, I don't expect informed l

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Process for WMUK's 2013 annual plan?

2012-07-01 Thread Chris Keating
> Is there a plan in place for how WMUK is going to put together its > 2013 annual plan? We need to start work on it very soon. > We have just agreed how we're going to go about this, I'm pleased to say :-) We have a deadline of 1 October to submit an activity plan to the (yet to be formed) Funds

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Process for WMUK's 2013 annual plan?

2012-07-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
That looks like a good process. My only concern is the reference to the 5 year plan - we don't have one yet. We have a draft, but it's a long way from being a finished plan with full community buy-in. I don't think it can be finished and ratified by the community in time to be much use in putting t

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Process for WMUK's 2013 annual plan?

2012-07-01 Thread Chris Keating
On Sunday, July 1, 2012, Thomas Dalton wrote: > That looks like a good process. My only concern is the reference to the 5 year plan - we don't have one yet. We have a draft, but it's a long way from being a finished plan with full community buy-in. I don't think it can be finished and ratified by

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Gordon Joly
On 01/07/12 10:59, Richard Symonds wrote: There are four servers/squids: pmtpa Hostway (formerly PowerMedium) in Tampa, Florida. sdtpa Equinix (formerley Switch and Data) in Tampa, Florida. knams Kennisnet in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. esams EvoSwitch in Amsterdam, the Netherlan

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 July 2012 19:44, Gordon Joly wrote: > So, USA and Europe. But not the UK. Yes. Rest assured the WMF is not so foolish as to base anything in the UK. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailm

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Tom Morris
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 1 July 2012 19:44, Gordon Joly wrote: > >> So, USA and Europe. But not the UK. > > Yes. Rest assured the WMF is not so foolish as to base anything in the UK. > None of which will matter if the law is so broadly drawn that Wikimedia UK or e

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Michael Peel
On 1 Jul 2012, at 21:00, Tom Morris wrote: > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> On 1 July 2012 19:44, Gordon Joly wrote: >> >>> So, USA and Europe. But not the UK. >> >> Yes. Rest assured the WMF is not so foolish as to base anything in the UK. >> > > None of which will

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread James Forrester
On 1 July 2012 13:00, Tom Morris wrote: > None of which will matter if the law is so broadly drawn that > Wikimedia UK or even an individual Wikimedian could be held to be an > operator of a telecommunications system. It's entirely foreseeable that UK police would consider anyone with 'higher' ri

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Tom Morris
On Sunday, 1 July 2012 at 21:22, Michael Peel wrote: > Are you volunteering? I don't believe that we have WMUK staff or trustee time > that can be put towards leading a discussion of the details and implications > that the bill could have for Wikimedia (globally or locally), or to > coordinate w

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Richard Symonds
I'll have a chat with Jon tomorrow and we'll see what we can do! Richard Symonds, Wikimedia UK On Jul 1, 2012 9:58 PM, "Tom Morris" wrote: > On Sunday, 1 July 2012 at 21:22, Michael Peel wrote: > > Are you volunteering? I don't believe that we have WMUK staff or trustee > time that can be put to

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Michael Peel
On 1 Jul 2012, at 21:58, Tom Morris wrote: > On Sunday, 1 July 2012 at 21:22, Michael Peel wrote: >> Are you volunteering? I don't believe that we have WMUK staff or trustee >> time that can be put towards leading a discussion of the details and >> implications that the bill could have for Wiki

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 July 2012 21:46, James Forrester wrote: > On 1 July 2012 13:00, Tom Morris wrote: >> None of which will matter if the law is so broadly drawn that >> Wikimedia UK or even an individual Wikimedian could be held to be an >> operator of a telecommunications system. > > It's entirely foreseeable

[Wikimediauk-l] "open access ethos of Wikimedia UK"

2012-07-01 Thread fabian
Hi all, I would like to know what other people understand as the "open access ethos of Wikimedia UK". The reason I ask is that I have been informed that Midas - who are delivering the Training for Trainers programme - have been arguing that as they chose to use a process which was not written for

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Tom Morris
On Sunday, 1 July 2012 at 22:41, Thomas Dalton wrote: > How about we avoid spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt? When it comes to FUD-spreaders, James F. isn't high on my list. As for doubt, I'm okay with a bit more doubt. A rather effective little method of finding things out we call "science

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "open access ethos of Wikimedia UK"

2012-07-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
The tender said materials *produced* would need to be freely licensed. If they are using pre-existing materials for part of the course, then not freely licensing those doesn't necessarily contradict the terms of the tender. It is unfortunate, though. On 1 July 2012 22:47, wrote: > Hi all, > > I

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "open access ethos of Wikimedia UK"

2012-07-01 Thread Thomas Morton
Where is the tender document? Tom On 1 July 2012 22:52, Thomas Dalton wrote: > The tender said materials *produced* would need to be freely licensed. > If they are using pre-existing materials for part of the course, then > not freely licensing those doesn't necessarily contradict the terms of

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "open access ethos of Wikimedia UK"

2012-07-01 Thread HJ Mitchell
My understanding (the people to ask would be Martin and Jon, but this is my understanding in the interim), is that there was one document - designed to evaluate learning styles and divide participants into  four categories - which they used, but for which the copyright belonged to a third party.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "open access ethos of Wikimedia UK"

2012-07-01 Thread HJ Mitchell
Tom, there is a copy on the office wiki, and a copy was sent to each panel member (Jon,Martin, and myself). It's not my place to share the contents with you, but you can ask Jon or Martin if you feel strongly. Having refreshed my memory, Midas' bid stated that the handouts they used during the

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] "open access ethos of Wikimedia UK"

2012-07-01 Thread fabian
The tender document is at: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Training_the_Trainers/Tender Yes, I agree that the tender document can be interpreted in that way. This is why I posed the question in terms of the ethos. If it's just one document as Harry suggests, the maybe someone can reproduce something

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread brian.mcneil
> From: Thomas Dalton > On 1 July 2012 21:46, James Forrester wrote: > > On 1 July 2012 13:00, Tom Morris wrote: > >> None of which will matter if the law is so broadly drawn that > >> Wikimedia UK or even an individual Wikimedian could be held to be an > >> operator of a telecommunications sy

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Draft Communications Bill

2012-07-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 1 July 2012 23:18, wrote: > Wrong. This act clearly sets out to allow the police access to stored > data without recourse to a judge. Then that's the bit to be complaining about. (FYI, it is rarely a judge that authorises these things, it's usually a magistrate. It is a magistrate under this