Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

2008-12-06 Thread Michael Peel
Works fine on my PlusNet and JANET connections, FWIW. Mike On 6 Dec 2008, at 20:55, Paul Williams wrote: > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > you need to try the link, and if it doesn't work, contact your > ISP and ask WTF. > > > HTTP 404 error on Ecli

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/7 AndrewRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Dec 6, 11:12 pm, "Alison Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Addendum. The IWF state they have an appeals process, though I can't find >> further details in their FAQ. They are also associated with CEOP whom >> invited me earlier this year to talk

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Ideas - Flicker Oxford team up

2008-12-06 Thread AndrewRT
Good news! If anyone gets in touch with them, could you also mention Wikipedia Loves Art at the V&A? Thanks On Dec 6, 7:38 pm, joseph seddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Heya guys, > > Whilst looking for some interesting photo's I stumbled accross a flicker > group from oxford, they are very act

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread AndrewRT
Hi Alison On Dec 6, 11:12 pm, "Alison Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Addendum. The IWF state they have an appeals process, though I can't find > further details in their FAQ. They are also associated with CEOP whom > invited me earlier this year to talk to a conference they were organising

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
> Thanks, but I got in via a different route. Thing is I suspect that issue > will be catching many others too. This whole thing is a disaster sfaiac > for editors and readers alike. Indeed. There's not a lot we can do about it, though... hopefully the press will take the "Evil ISPs censor the won

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Alison Wheeler
On Sun, December 7, 2008 00:15, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2008/12/7 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Side-effect of logging out to check further, then realising I don't know >> my own password as I rely on the computer to remember it for me ... >> >> "Login error >> Your IP address is blocked fr

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/7 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Side-effect of logging out to check further, then realising I don't know > my own password as I rely on the computer to remember it for me ... > > "Login error > Your IP address is blocked from editing, and so is not allowed to use the > password reco

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Alison Wheeler
Side-effect of logging out to check further, then realising I don't know my own password as I rely on the computer to remember it for me ... "Login error Your IP address is blocked from editing, and so is not allowed to use the password recovery function to prevent abuse" gah! Alison __

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
> In my mind it > would be far better for them to ask for the removal of the image rather > than block an entire article. Absolutely - asking nicely is generally a good first step in resolving any dispute. > Indeed the article could happily have the > later album cover and just refer to the earli

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

2008-12-06 Thread the wub
2008/12/6 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/6 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> However, I do suggest that all readers of this list try the pages and >> share the results they get (and their ISP). > > I can access it from my university internet connection (through JANET). > > It's ver

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Alison Wheeler
(an error in sending meant my response wasn't actually in the message ... duped below correctly) On Sat, December 6, 2008 22:47, geni wrote: > Ideally they won't pick > it up. If they do the story will be "wikipedia hosting child porn". > Trying to tackle that head on is suicidally stupid. Their r

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread the wub
2008/12/6 geni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/6 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> The bigger issue at this exact moment *is* this exact moment. It is late >> on a Saturday night and realistically the next news cycle that we could >> get in to is not until Monday. As such it may be premature to

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Alison Wheeler
On Sat, December 6, 2008 22:47, geni wrote: > 2008/12/6 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> The bigger issue at this exact moment *is* this exact moment. It is late >> on a Saturday night and realistically the next news cycle that we could >> get in to is not until Monday. As such it may be prem

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread geni
2008/12/6 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The bigger issue at this exact moment *is* this exact moment. It is late > on a Saturday night and realistically the next news cycle that we could > get in to is not until Monday. As such it may be premature to announce > anything further at this pres

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
> The way that I negotiated the trademark agreement does, I believe, permit > me (on behalf of both organisations) to speak publicly on this matter > should I wish to do so. Is it not the standard chapter agreement? That agreement includes the clause: "The Chapter shall seek to ensure in all deali

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Alison Wheeler
On Sat, December 6, 2008 21:35, Thomas Dalton wrote: > You could, but would it really be appropriate? You have the license to > use the trademark, but not permission to speak on behalf of WMF. Since > it is WMF's page being blocked it should really be WMF making a > statement - there isn't much WMU

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

2008-12-06 Thread Chris McKenna
Just for completeness, I'm on O2 broadband and I get the 404 trying to access the Virgin Killer article and image. Unfortunately as the account is not in my name, I don't think that I can make a complaint? The article is (currently) available via the google.co.uk cache, and a google.co.uk image

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by InternetWatch Foundation

2008-12-06 Thread Foxhill
> The IWF really doesn't want people looking too closely into what it > does and how it does it. That would only inform the criminals, don't > you know. As such, I expect this one to quietly disappear, > particularly if everyone here with a failed connection to Wikipedia > makes a point to call the

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/6 Alison Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, December 6, 2008 21:12, joseph seddon wrote: >> May i point out that atm wiki uk ltd is in no way officially affiliated >> with WMF atm, it wouldnt be a professional move to >> make a statement. > > As the current (though not much longer!) hol

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Alison Wheeler
On Sat, December 6, 2008 21:12, joseph seddon wrote: > May i point out that atm wiki uk ltd is in no way officially affiliated > with WMF atm, it wouldnt be a professional move to > make a statement. As the current (though not much longer!) holder of the licence to use the trademark in the UK, Wik

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/6 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/6 joseph seddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> May i point out that atm wiki uk ltd is in no way officially affiliated with >> WMF atm, it wouldnt be a professional move to >> make a statement. > Indeed, at this point "WMUK" refers to WER Ltd. not W

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/6 joseph seddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > May i point out that atm wiki uk ltd is in no way officially affiliated with > WMF atm, it wouldnt be a professional move to > make a statement. Indeed, at this point "WMUK" refers to WER Ltd. not Wiki UK Ltd.. Wiki UK Ltd. certainly should be doing a

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread joseph seddon
May i point out that atm wiki uk ltd is in no way officially affiliated with WMF atm, it wouldnt be a professional move to make a statement.> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:11:15 +> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fw

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/6 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am. Ok i'm not part of wmuk, but I do think wmuk should make a move. > > Why would you not send the wn article to all your press contacts, or even > better issue a PR. Anyway, make a move and exist. > > This is the occasion to get you known :) Because it's not

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet WatchFoundation

2008-12-06 Thread christophe . henner
I am. Ok i'm not part of wmuk, but I do think wmuk should make a move. Why would you not send the wn article to all your press contacts, or even better issue a PR. Anyway, make a move and exist. This is the occasion to get you known :) Christophe -Original Message- From: "David Gerard

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

2008-12-06 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/6 geni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Internet watch foundation are not the authorities. They also don't > tell sites if they are Flagged (see their FAQ). We only found out due > to a chance information leak and the shear size of the site > highlighting some technical issues in the filtering. Th

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

2008-12-06 Thread geni
2008/12/6 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I can access it from my university internet connection (through JANET). > > It's very strange - if it is the Virgin Killer picture then why now? > That picture have been there for ages and has been complained about > plenty of times before. The conclus

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

2008-12-06 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/6 Paul Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> you need to try the link, and if it doesn't work, contact your >> ISP and ask WTF. > HTTP 404 error on Eclipse Internet for page and image. Circumventable by > going to http:

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

2008-12-06 Thread Paul Williams
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you need to try the link, and if it doesn't work, contact your > ISP and ask WTF. > > HTTP 404 error on Eclipse Internet for page and image. Circumventable by going to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virgin_Killer

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

2008-12-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/6 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I am not suggesting that WMUK do anything about this whatsoever. I doubt there is anything WMUK can do, even if it was a good idea for them to get involved. > However, I do suggest that all readers of this list try the pages and > share the results th

[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: Wikipedia quietly censored by Internet Watch Foundation

2008-12-06 Thread David Gerard
I am not suggesting that WMUK do anything about this whatsoever. However, I do suggest that all readers of this list try the pages and share the results they get (and their ISP). More specifically, if you're on any of: * Be/O2/Telefonica * Virgin Media * EasyNet/UK Online/Sky * PlusNet * Demon *

[Wikimediauk-l] Wikimania Ideas - Flicker Oxford team up

2008-12-06 Thread joseph seddon
Heya guys, Whilst looking for some interesting photo's I stumbled accross a flicker group from oxford, they are very active it seems, they hold meet ups and are looking into running an exhibition next year. I think that it is of vital importance that we get in touch with these people and see

[Wikimediauk-l] London Wikimeet 16 - 14th December 2008

2008-12-06 Thread Gordon Joly
The next London Wikimeet is at the usual place, and again on the second Sunday of the month at 1pm (14th December 2008). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/London_16 http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1375038 Upcoming says:- Penderel's Oak 283-288 High Holborn London, England WC1