Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-15 Thread Paolo Sommaruga
Hi Jaroslav, I have finished to develop a first version of my framework and now I'm doing some test. It seems to work. Also I'm writing some examples with a little doc. Later on I will do it available and I will send you Regards Paolo Il giorno 14/nov/07, alle ore 19:05, Jaroslav Hanus h

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-14 Thread Jaroslav Hanus
Hello Paolo Could you please give me some more info concerning your data-GUI XML binding approach? It seems to fit perfectly into our idea where to move now with JC stuff. Although Florian's way is also nice and I have found interesting info in his tutorial, this GUI - data separation I w

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-09 Thread Florijan Stamenkovic
Paolo, I see why you like a more dynamic approach. Dynamic is good, and it should not be very difficult to make a visual editor for your XML. Since I have never extensively used EOAssociation classes, and have after some initial work with it skipped Apple's JC stuff in total (except when

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-08 Thread Anjo Krank
Argh, I shouldn't have relied on my memory. What I meant was the WebServicesAssistant.app, which is only a WOA that is repackaged as an app. Sorry. But then I don't know why D2JC is deprecated at all, except that all the cocoa components are most likely broken and they didn't want to provid

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-08 Thread Paolo Sommaruga
Hi Florijan, it's because the core jc stuff still stays that I think It's reasonable to continue to use in the jc application EODisplayGroup, EOAssociation, etc. I think the status is like as the web WO where the core stuff stays but WebObjects Builder is lacking. In the jc client develop

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-08 Thread David Avendasora
Hey Anjo, Can you give me more information or examples of getting assistant to use normal WO files? That would help me a lot right now. I would also very much like to try to get D2JC unDEpreciated even if it does remain unAppreciated. :) Thanks, Dave On Nov 4, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Anjo Kra

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-07 Thread Florijan Stamenkovic
Thanks to all, and apologies as well, last time I checked (a few days ago) I was unable to locate the 5.4 API online, possibly to my own stupidity. My best, Flor On Nov 07, 2007, at 14:09, Mike Schrag wrote: Could we stop the speculation and look at the facts. The documentation is here: h

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-07 Thread Mike Schrag
Could we stop the speculation and look at the facts. The documentation is here: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSXServer/Reference/WO54_Reference/ .. and also http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSXServer/Reference/WO54_Reference/deprecated-list.html ms __

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-07 Thread David LeBer
On 7-Nov-07, at 12:32 PM, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote: Hm, one might think that if a number of developers are wondering about the same point, the release notes might be somewhat confusing. And that the vendor (and it's respected representatives) might be considered nice if they would polite

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-07 Thread Mr. Pierre Frisch
Could we stop the speculation and look at the facts. The documentation is here: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSXServer/Reference/WO54_Reference/ Pierre -- Pierre Frisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 7, 2007, at 9:32, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote: Hm, one might think that if a number

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-07 Thread Florijan Stamenkovic
Hm, one might think that if a number of developers are wondering about the same point, the release notes might be somewhat confusing. And that the vendor (and it's respected representatives) might be considered nice if they would politely clarify the point (an action taking a total of 2 min

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-07 Thread Mr. Pierre Frisch
I do not respond to shouts. Just look in the documentation. What is deprecated is marked, it if is not marked it is not deprecated. Pierre -- Pierre Frisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:37, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote: Hi all, Great to see some JC discussions going on :) Uhm, her

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-07 Thread Florijan Stamenkovic
Hi all, Great to see some JC discussions going on :) Uhm, here is my two cents. Let's all do whatever we can to get a straight answer from Apple about the core JC being depreciated or not. Cliff Tuel NOT being the WO Apple person on the list anymore, I do not know whom can be directly con

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-05 Thread Paolo Sommaruga
sorry, I forgot Interface Builder ... Il giorno 05/nov/07, alle ore 16:57, Paolo Sommaruga ha scritto: Hi, we are in production some nib based jcs. Such jcs are complex enough. Therefore in order to migrate in a world without Interface Builder we need to use the existing code as much as

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-05 Thread Paolo Sommaruga
Hi, we are in production some nib based jcs. Such jcs are complex enough. Therefore in order to migrate in a world without we need to use the existing code as much as possible in order to avoid altering the entire applications. Besides a great deal of Apple jc stuff works well even thoug

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-04 Thread Anjo Krank
Am 01.11.2007 um 20:33 schrieb David Avendasora: I know I'm planning on digging into it soon because a large portion of my application is D2JC, which will need to be replaced. Again: D2JC is deprecated, but wrongly so. If you know how to write individual components by hand, then you should

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-04 Thread Jarda Hanuš
Mike Schrag stated in the "State of the Union" thread: * My understanding is that JavaClient stuff is technically still there, but there's not very good tool support for it. NetBeans project file support for Entity Modeler would allow the combination of Entity Modeler plus the Swing desi

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-01 Thread David Avendasora
Mike Schrag stated in the "State of the Union" thread: * My understanding is that JavaClient stuff is technically still there, but there's not very good tool support for it. NetBeans project file support for Entity Modeler would allow the combination of Entity Modeler plus the Swing desig

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-11-01 Thread Jarda Hanuš
And I have EXACTLY the same question. We develop and maintain quite a huge application with two frontends - html WebObjects for extranet users and Java Client for intranet. For JC we used the NIB-Based IB development, although with quite a lot of hacks to force it to work the way we needed.

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-10-31 Thread David Avendasora
Okay, I have the same question as John and Flor, and I don't think it's been answered yet. For those of you NOT doing regular Java Client (I guess there a few ;) there have been THREE ways of doing WO JC development in the past: 1) D2JC 2) NIB-Based using Interface Builder 3) Straight Swing

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-10-31 Thread Anjo Krank
All I'm saying is that you can get D2JC to still work by fixing up the package to a plain WO app. However, my uneducated guess is that there won't be much development going on with the Java client stuff. Cheers, Anjo Am 31.10.2007 um 13:38 schrieb John Pollard: I am not quite clear on what

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-10-31 Thread John Pollard
Hi Anjo, I am not quite clear on what you are saying. I am not concerned about the Java interface for which we happen to use JFormDesigner at present. I really want to know whether the EOF / distribution jars are deprecated - the ones that let me write code on the client side, almost as i

Re: WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-10-31 Thread Anjo Krank
The D2JC stuff still works if you replace the binary in the assistant package with a normal WO launch script. IB is pretty much dead for WO dev, but you can code your own components or write some GUI editor for it (or reuse the stuff other editors create for you). Cheers, Anjo Am 31.10.200

WO5.4 and Java Client

2007-10-30 Thread John Pollard
Deprecations in WO5.4: Java Client Nib based applications Direct to JavaClient based applications Does this mean the end of Java Client full stop? We use Java Client but NOT Nibs or Direct To. Our Java interface is pure swing. What we do depend on is basically the distributed EOF functionali