You can consult the 2009 surveys results in the wiki :
Organization : http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/x/E4Bf
Invidivual : http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/x/doBf
Don't worry about the number of respondants, I know at least four
Canadian organizations who didn't
=navy@lists.apple.com] On
Behalf Of Tim Worman
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 20:42
To: Ken Foust
Cc: webobjects Apple; Miguel Arroz
Subject: Re: 2009 surveys results
I think there are definitely great materials available to learn about
WebObjects, WOLips, Wonder. Like Ken said, I think the
You are more than welcome to transfer them to a format better suited
to reach the masses. They were created with Adobe Captivate, don't
know if that makes any difference. They are essentially screen
recordings, I did not use any interactive options within these
tutorials that I remember.
Hello Chuck;
http://web.me.com/pccdonl/ I think you mean.
You are correct, I should not have cut and pasted. :)
Don
On Oct 24, 2009, at 11:42 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Oct 24, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:
I agree with Robert, I created several tutorials for WebObjects as
well
On 2009-10-25, at 10:13 AM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
On Oct 25, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
- "Chuck Hill" a écrit :
On Oct 24, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:
I agree with Robert, I created several tutorials for WebObjects as
well as an installer for windows an
On Oct 25, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
- "Chuck Hill" a écrit :
On Oct 24, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:
I agree with Robert, I created several tutorials for WebObjects as
well as an installer for windows and linux. This is something that
I use my spare time
Don - why not put your stuff on the wiki? Maybe it's not got much
attention because nobody can find it ? For info I can't even access it
on my iPhone. - I just get a blank page
Simon
On Sunday, October 25, 2009, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> This is good stuff. How would anyone know your
Hi Don,
This is good stuff. How would anyone know your good materials exist?
I think it is a good idea, whether a blog, tutorials, videos, to put
cross-links to those on at least the following two places somewhere:
wiki.objectstyle.org (any of us can edit that)
wocommunity.org
- "Chuck Hill" a écrit :
> On Oct 24, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:
>
> > I agree with Robert, I created several tutorials for WebObjects as
>
> > well as an installer for windows and linux. This is something that
>
> > I use my spare time to support.
> >
> > Based on my review
On Oct 24, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Don Lindsay wrote:
I agree with Robert, I created several tutorials for WebObjects as
well as an installer for windows and linux. This is something that
I use my spare time to support.
Based on my review of hits to the tutorials, they are rarely accessed.
I
I think there are definitely great materials available to learn about
WebObjects, WOLips, Wonder. Like Ken said, I think the real issue is that all
the materials are very scattered across different sites. More than any
technological concerns, I think the lack of cohesiveness is what could leave
I am glad to hear it. Web Objects is incredible.
Don
On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Daniel Beatty wrote:
Greetings Ken and Don,
I have managed to see to hopeful results. In some cases, it was
presented with reference to Don's tutorials, Chuck's books, and a
lot of researching the issue.
Greetings Ken and Don,
I have managed to see to hopeful results. In some cases, it was
presented with reference to Don's tutorials, Chuck's books, and a lot
of researching the issue.
The hope I have seen is the students who got the idea about WO and D2W
in a class where I served as TA.
I suspect if you don't pull together the best technology will die. I
still go back to apple depreciating the tools and dropping WO. It
would be a hell of a lot easier if they at least had it as a
option. They should have you guys go back and bring it up to speed
and then start reselling it
I agree with Robert, I created several tutorials for WebObjects as
well as an installer for windows and linux. This is something that I
use my spare time to support.
Based on my review of hits to the tutorials, they are rarely
accessed. If they were used more, I would create more of them.
The problem with this is time... I was thinking of a online book where
you can ask O'Reilly or other publisher to print it and sell it to
give back to writers, like Thinking in Java or the MySQL manual are.
And frankly, based on the number of people who wanted to attend WOWODC
East for the
IMHO
You gurus need to put out a few really in-depth tutorials. Maybe each
could do a little piece. It is hard to sell something like WO without
a good way
for people to get in the loop. You may want to review Joshua'
Marker's book on WO which I thought was the absolute best for
attract
...and you also don't know how many people within Apple would buy it
if Chuck was to write another book.
Alan
On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:00 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
BTW, the 400 devs count is from the total number of devs as told by
the results of the org survey, good chance that the communit
Hi!
Usually between 5 and 10% of any group of people answer surveys. So
I guess we are much more. :)
Yours
Miguel Arroz
On 2009/10/23, at 19:00, Pascal Robert wrote:
BTW, the 400 devs count is from the total number of devs as told by
the results of the org survey, good chance that th
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From: webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com
[mailto:webobjects-dev-bounces+daniel.beatty=navy@lists.apple.com] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hill
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:52
To: John Larson
Cc: webobjects Apple; Miguel Arroz
Subject: Re: 2009 surveys results
On
BTW, the 400 devs count is from the total number of devs as told by
the results of the org survey, good chance that the community is
bigger, but for now the survey is the only way to have a count. I
don't access to the number of subscribers to the lists or other counts
that can give a bette
On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:07 PM, Daniel Beatty wrote:
Greetings Jeremy,
Well you are right. It has been difficult to make a curriculum that
"shows off" WO. It can be used some in most DBMS, Web Software
Engineering, and Design Patterns courses. In each case, it is more
or less used as
On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:27 AM, John Larson wrote:
I'm kind of goading Chuck on to write a sequel to "Practical
WebObjects." How about "Absurdly Cool WebObjects"?
The Book of Chuck?
WebObjects: Getting Chunky Wid It?
I won't say never, but right now I am having a hard time getting the
tim
It was really, really, very not profitable the first time
either. :-| That is not why we wrote it.
Chuck
On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
If we are really only have +- 400 developers outside of Apple, I
don't think writing a book is "profitable".
I'm kind of goading
If we are really only have +- 400 developers outside of Apple, I don't
think writing a book is "profitable".
I'm kind of goading Chuck on to write a sequel to "Practical
WebObjects." How about "Absurdly Cool WebObjects"?
On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
Hi!
On 2009/10/2
I'm kind of goading Chuck on to write a sequel to "Practical
WebObjects." How about "Absurdly Cool WebObjects"?
On Oct 23, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
Hi!
On 2009/10/23, at 17:46, John & Kim Larson wrote:
without having the patience to read the manual,
Is there a manual?
Y
Ah.. found them..
http://developer.apple.com/legacy/mac/library/navigation/index.html
Ignore the WebObjects Reference Library links on webobjects.com /
http://developer.apple.com/tools/webobjects/
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Joe Little wrote:
> Not any more.. :)
>
> I also noticed that th
Not any more.. :)
I also noticed that the docs are disappearing off the Apple site. Not
sure if one is allowed to repost those somewhere else without drawing
the wrath of Apple lawyers. If the docs are on the apple site, they
sure as hell are hard to find, as most URLs redirect to the MacOSX
docum
Hi!
On 2009/10/23, at 17:46, John & Kim Larson wrote:
without having the patience to read the manual,
Is there a manual?
Yours
Miguel Arroz
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The only thing that I've studied as much as WebObjects is the Bible,
and that is sometimes easier to explain than WO!
Seriously, the concepts are so deep that I think we (WO developers)
kind of take many of the core concepts for granted and sort of treat
them like riding a bike. Working wit
Greetings Jeremy,
Well you are right. It has been difficult to make a curriculum that
"shows off" WO. It can be used some in most DBMS, Web Software
Engineering, and Design Patterns courses. In each case, it is more
or less used as an example.
Unfortunately, getting to teach it is an
> Good idea to send the request in WOLF (WebObject Liste Francophone).
>
> The list is not very active now and I'm almost the only contributor so
>
> Pascal, I'll be happy you send directly your request.
>
> About the survey, I've filled out the forms for Bebook then I tried to
>
> do the sa
Good idea to send the request in WOLF (WebObject Liste Francophone).
The list is not very active now and I'm almost the only contributor so
Pascal, I'll be happy you send directly your request.
About the survey, I've filled out the forms for Bebook then I tried to
do the same for Sophiacom
Hello,
Results are interesting but unfortunately they show that webobjects
technologie miss beginners...
Jérémy DE ROYER
Le 20 oct. 09 à 21:01, Pascal Robert a écrit :
Ok, so I bugged everyone for weeks and I don't expect any more
answers (even if I know that at least 5 organizations didn
Hey Pascal,
-- I'd send your requests for people to fill them in to the
webobjects-deploy & webobjects-announce lists also .. perhaps the
french mailing lists also. Not everyone subscribes to this one it
seems. Naturally not everyone's a 'dev'.
On 21/10/2009, at 6:01 AM, Pascal Robert wr
Ok, so I bugged everyone for weeks and I don't expect any more answers
(even if I know that at least 5 organizations didn't respond...), so I
made a summary of all answers we have so far :
http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/x/doBf
http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/x/
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