[Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

Budgerigars have tetrachromatic color vision and one named Puck had a vocabulary of 1728 words.They obviously don't have the brain power or incentive to develop science or "civilization" but they are sentient. The difference between sentience and intelligence seems blurred.I have long advocate

Re: [Vo]:A Halloween scare for real

Dave wrote:/I would not expect a present day design to behave in/ /a manner that remotely resembles a human. Our brain appears to be a massively parallel data processing environment while most computers process one instruction at a time. We need to understand parallel systems far better/ /b

Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion

It doesn't matter much what either candidate says, they will follow the advice of DoE or NASA. DoE in particular STILL don't think ELNR happens. At least that is their current official position. See what I wrote here http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2012/08/20/opinion/doc50319a77925498479845

[Vo]:How bad is this news?

More crap. Without "polluting" CO2 there would be no life on this planet. Perhaps more to the point, global temperature has not risen for 16 years falsifying the IPCC forecast. Six years ago, the story was there has been no temperature rise for 10 years but that is not enough for a trend. You

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

Jed, I have been following the subject fairly closely. I'm not about to start yet another discussion on AGW. I've written hundreds of posts on that already. That the IPCC forecast has been falsified for the average of the models and most of the individual models you can read about on Lucia'

Re: [Vo]:How bad is this news? Jed Rothwell

Jed, I don't have a PhD in LENR either, but I believe it exists even though the mainstream doesn't. Possibly my opinion is worth little. The IPCC forecast has been falsified. It doesn't take a genius to understand that. The link I gave to Lucia's site "The Blackboard" has covered that in excru

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on reading the Papp patent - #2.

Inteligentry is still making optimistic noises with only a day to go /*_Wow_!! It looks like we'll be busy with News and Media for several months. We are getting invites to other shows as well.!!*/ We may take a /big booth/ at the *CES* show here in Vegas in January. *ANY LICENSEE wan

[Vo]:Kapagen

The electronics are beyond my range of expertise but possibly someone here can tell if this makes any sense. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=24&ved=0CEQQFjADOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.overunity.com%2F7679%2Fselfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadz

[Vo]:Danger of explosions with LENR

Subject: Danger of EXPLOSION: possible cathalitic effects even at low temperatures. From: Francesco Celani Date: Fri, April 12, 2013 11:13 am To: [snip] @ gmail.com [snip] @ yahoo.fr, [snip ] @ ni.com, [omitted] @ chavaenergy.com, [omitted] @ missouri.edu, [omitted] @ nasa.gov Dear Colleagu

[Vo]:Explosions possible with LENR

Subject: Danger of EXPLOSION: possible cathalitic effects even at low temperatures. From: Francesco Celani Date: Fri, April 12, 2013 11:13 am To: [snip] @ gmail.com [snip] @ yahoo.fr, [snip ] @ ni.com, [omitted] @ chavaenergy.com, [omitted] @ missouri.edu, [omitted] @ nasa.gov Dear Colleagu

Re[Vo]:Explosions possible with LENR

Sorry for the double post. I sent the first post without adding [Vo] to it and when it didn't appear I sent it again but with that prefix. For future occasions, what is the correct procedure?

re: [Vo]:resurrection of Rossi?

Rossi is no hurry to have strong confirmation for business reasons. He said earlier he was now was not sure why he agreed to the independent tests. Seems to me he would not have agreed and given the testers two Hot Cats if they didn't work. If they really do work, his 1 MW plant due to be delive

Re: [Vo]:Ban the killer robots before it's too late

The problem is not armed drones. They are little different from advanced artillery. The problem, as always, is who controls them. The real problem would be if they were put under the control of a computer program, like in the Terminator.

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Torbjörn Hartman describes

Duncan Cumming "No, it does not. What happens is that the diode rectifies the mains to DC, and the DC is not sensed by the clamp-type current meter. " What would the clamp on meter show with chopped DC?

[Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

Having tried to edit something on the wiki E-CAT page and having it immediately deleted, I ended up writing this on the "Topic Talk" page. It probably won't do any good but if enough people do this (anyone can) They say there are 1000- 7000 hits per day on the E-CAT page. This discussion

Re: [Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

Berke Durak, My interest was to get Wiki to correct their entry. Not clear to me how Reddit can help that.

Re: [Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

Jouni Valkonen wrote: "This is not true. The test was arranged in Rossi's facilities and by Giuseppe Levi. And problem is that we do not know what is financial relationship between Rossi and Levi, so Levi, who has been chief scientist in all ecat tests, cannot be considered as independent entit

Re: [Vo]:Wiki on E-CAT

I have opened a dispute notice on Wiki. As far as I know, anyone can join the fray (at the bottom.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Energy_Catalyzer_discussion

[Vo]: after, ISCMNS, ICCF article at Wikipedia up for deletion.

I had a go at correcting the Wikipedia article on Rossi's E-Cat and got topic banned for my trouble. Look at the "talk page" about three quarters down (Parallel) When I started, half the intro was a very negative piece lifted from a blog as a reliable source. The existing editors like AndyTh

RE: [Vo]:Electric (LENR) airplane

Actually, it doesn't take a lot of imaginations to visualize a direct gas turbine conversion. The core of the Hot Cat is a 33mm dia tube, so a finned bunch of these replacing the combustion chambers could make for an inefficient engine. Who cares about the efficiency in this case?

RE: [Vo]:Electric (LENR) airplane

Jones, I wasn't suggesting this is anywhere close, but then neither is the electric powered version. We don't know enough about it to start a design, but consider Defkalion claim a much higher COP and to be able to switch it on and off. If heat is required, some aviation fuel could be burnt

Re: [Vo]:AXIL's Efitorial

Ed Storms, I think you underestimate Rossi by saying he doesn't understand it. Consider that he has access to the data and others don't.Consider how quickly he devised the Hot Cat after the E-Cats. Further, I think future progress is already more of a control and engineering problem than a p

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Web Page

Jed wrote. "The extreme temperature in both hemispheres are caused by global warming. Many people opposed to climatology fail to realize that." Jed, this is a figment of post normal science. There is absolutely no proof for what you say and I have been following it for years. Even the UK Met

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Web Page

Jed wrote: "This is your opinion versus the expertise of 99% of climatologists. I cannot judge but I suppose they are right and you are wrong. Before anyone says otherwise, let me point out that is NOT an appeal to authority." If you had been following "climate Science" you would know your qu

RE: RE: [Vo]:MHD- from Russia with Love...

Jones Beene, What Mills talks about is the ejection of very high speed ions from which it should be possible to generate electricity. Has he stated that a large proportion of the energy is UV?

RE: [Vo]:Nanoparticles make steam without bring water to a boil.

Jones Beene, Nobody knows if the Papp engine was real. Papp certainly demonstrated some remarkable things like a cannon, with many witnesses, that blew up with more force than a conventional explosive. Whether Feynman unplugged the wire is secondary to Papp "becoming agitated" when he woul

[Vo]:Platinum Invests

Of course many will doubt the free energy claim, but these guys deserve an A for effort in building a nifty looking car /and/ plane. http://pesn.com/2014/01/22/9602427_Platinum-Invests_presents_worlds-first_free-energy-car_and_plane/

Re: [Vo]:Platinum Invests

Brad Lowe, If the vid of the plane flying is not the one they built, it is very misleading indeed.Looking more carefully Ithink I can see three different aircraft.Do you know of them first hand? Regarding the power plant, they show a picture near the bottom of the drop down series, that show

[Vo]:BLP Demo

Apparently very few are being invited.None of our usual reporters.Mills says there will be video released on the BLP site after the demo is over. Mills answers some further questions at the site linked below.I note he doesn't answer the question in several cases and confirms the demo will just

Re [Vo]:BLP Coverage on the E-Cat site

Jones Beene, You may well be right. I can think of some other possibilities. I am sure that Dr. Mills would prefer the official version to come out first and so, for example, could have placed an embargo on others until does. You seem to have a down on BLP. My take is kinder. From other re

RE: [Vo]:Blacklight

Jones Beene Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:17:06 -0800 /Any News you get will only happen through BLP itself or by way of a preapproved journalist

RE: [Vo]:Blacklight

Jones Beene wrote. "This still looks like a demo set-up purely to milk more funding out of investors - in response to the reports of Rossi's coup. Those investors in BLP should be tiring of this kind of staged dog-and-pony show, after all the years of one disappointment after another." I think i

RE: [Vo]:BLP Coverage on the E-Cat site

Jones Beene Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:17:44 -0800 "That is a waiver, OK - but was it the only document required? Coming back to Earth - it i

RE: [Vo]:BLP Coverage on the E-Cat site

Jones Beene wrote: "Be kind but not blind. You have not suffered through 24 years of continual disappointment, hyperbole, arrogance and double talk. When one insists on controlling information flow in order to raise ever more investment - that is NOT science, it is hucksterism. Will the video

RE: [Vo]:BLP Coverage on the E-Cat site

Jones Beene wrote: "Is Rossi really in production? That is the question we should be asking ourselves today on Vortex - not when is Mills going to have something beyond vapor ware." I don't know. If I were Industrial Heat LLC I would want to wait until after the six months trial before spend

Re: [Vo]:Understanding BLP: Chapter 4

I spoke to BLP yesterday. They said they were working on the video of the demo of Jan 28th. and expected it to be published on their site next week. If the anomalous energy is as high as claimed it should be possible to demonstrate it even with a few pulses. I suppose we will see next week.

[Vo]:: RAR gravity engine

RAR are progressing with the construction of their second "gravity engine" and posted four new photos today. Presumably they have now had some operating experience of the first model yet continue to build the second one. http://www.rarenergia.com.br/gilman%20oficial%2019%20eng.JPG ref http://t

Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine

Mark, Click on the second link. Starting at image #53 (and later) there are some diagrams. If you can understand how it works from those, or from the patent, please let me know ;-) It is the brainchild of RAR Energia and funded by them

Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine

Jed wrote: "It is wonderful in a way, but why not build a desktop version? Even if it produces only milliwatts excess, if it can overcome friction and keep going it will convince everyone." They claimed they had a small model working first. I think you need something bigger to be believed an

Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine

Jed wrote: "Okay, but surely not THIS big!" Ah, but you missed the bit about getting attention. AA < There are several small magnet motors that the inventors claim work but no one believes them. > "Many people would believe them if they would perform a proper demonstration. It is not diffic

Re: [Vo]:: RAR gravity engine

Jed Rothwell <http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.com&q=from:%22Jed+Rothwell%22> Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:00:37 -0800 <http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l@eskimo.com&q=date:20140207> a.ashfield wrote: Let it run for a long time on a glass table.&qu

RE: [Vo]:Aetheric images

Some areas feel warmer than others, but they also do when there is another image or just text on the screen.

RE: [Vo]:"Not from Fusion" paper by Steven Jones Jones Beene

Jones, Thank you for that link. It was fascinating. What I find hard to understand is why ALL these miraculous inventions go to the grave with their inventors. For example T. Henry Moray and Popp. There were plenty of well witnessed demos yet the devices ALWAYS faded away. It seems strange

RE: [Vo]:Linear and Angular Momentum

I understand that is the textbook answer but I have wondered if there are exceptions. For example, imagine a nozzle discharging gas at high velocity into a large volume of gas. Why isn't that momentum converted into heat? If it were, the heat energy could be converted into something else.

Re: [Vo]:Linear and Angular Momentum

David Roberson Sat, 08 Feb 2014 13:32:56 -0800 "If you look into this scenario in detail, you will see how the total angular and lin

Re: [Vo]:Linear and Angular Momentum

David Roberson Sat, 08 Feb 2014 17:47:05 -0800 "There should not be any extra energy than was present in the high velocity gas and o

Re: [Vo]:New RAR photos

This is a repeat of the thread further down the page, called "RAR gravity engine."

Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion OU milestone reported

Blaze Spinnaker, "for less than a billionth of a second" And people complain about calorimetry in LENR

[Vo]:RAR engine progress photos

They're moving right along with the second machine. http://www.rarenergia.com.br/gilman%20oficial%2021%20eng.JPG

[Vo]:MFMP starrting work with nickel powder

See http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/powder-test-cells/361-powder-push There seems a disagreement, with MFMP saying. "In the E-cat reactor, the Rydberg state is probably created by using of some radioactive isotope, while in the Hyperion reactor a high voltage discharge is used."

RE: [Vo]:MFMP starting work with nickel powder

Jones, Why don't you contact them directly. You know much more about it than I do. They have a comments section after the message and it is clear they read the comments. See the end of http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/powder-test-cells/361-powder-

Re:[Vo]:Extraordinarily disappointing report

JOnes, 0.5 C is easy enough to measure. What I found disappointing was the COP = 2.8

Re: [Vo]:Experiment Proves General Theory of Relativity to be one hundred million trillion times wrong!

Has any later news of Podkletnov**surfaced? This wired article was interesting http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.03/antigravity_pr.html Sounds like Wired was persuaded the effect was real.

Re: [Vo]:Experiment Proves General Theory of Relativity to be one hundred million trillion times wrong!

John Berry wrote. impulse produced in an impulse gravity generator (IGG) and also an experiment has been conducted in order to determine the propagation speed of the gravity impulse. Does this mean that it is accepted that gravity can be. 1 Shielded. 2.Waves projected? Wikipedia writes it is

RE: [Vo]:BrightSource

Jones wrote,"Looks like this one is a success and is being expanded" The Andasol 1 plant cost around EUR300 million (US$380 million) to build + 13% for power storage.It produces power at $0.35/kWh which is guaranteed for 25 years(!)With successful plants like that who needs failures? Jones.

RE: [Vo]:BrightSource

Jones wrote. "If you live in a country with little coal, hydro, oil or gas, 35 cents is about average." But we don't. (not to mention LENR) So why build the Brightsource plant here?

Re: [Vo]:BrightSource

Jed wrote."You are missing the point. We have to build these things here and now if we want to reduce the cost and play a future role in this technology. We cannot let China and other countries do all of R&D now and then later expect to be in this business. We cannot expect the first units to c

[Vo]:hydrobetatron

Can anyone here understand Italian well enough to give us some idea of what this is and what it does? See http://www.hydrobetatron.org/index.html

Re: [Vo]:FQXi essay contest

Jed, I thought your essay was excellent and have forwarded it to a number of people. My memory tells me the anomalous power found by the Elforsk team was higher than the 578 Watts you quote. I will have to look it up. Adrian Ashfield

[Vo]: Cheap hydrogen claim

Solar Hydrogen Trends claim: Input 500 watts produces 2,797 cu.ft. H2 per hour, equivalent to 221.5 KWhr at a cost of $1.80 http://www.solarhydrogentrends.com/

Re: [Vo]: Cheap hydrogen claim

Bob, No typo. Apparently the figures have been replicated by an independent company See http://www.solarhydrogentrends.com/SHT_performance%20_test.pdf Adrian Ashfield

Re: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these days?

Jones, Where did you get the idea one warhead went missing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident

[Vo]:self-assembling DNA cages

Largest, sturdiest self-assembling DNA cages built Scientists at the Harvard's Wyss Institute have built a set of self-assembling DNA cages that are up to one-tenth as wide as a bacterium. The structures are some of the largest and most complex structures ever constructed solely from DNA

Re:[Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE

Someone asked about crack formation. What work I have done was to prevent them rather than make them. Basically you heat the object up and then cool the surface sufficiently rapidly that a tensile stress is created that exceeds the tensile strength of the material. Much easier to do with non

Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE

James Bowery Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:14:49 -0700 It sounds like amorphous metals may be a fruitful avenue of research. Yes, I imagine

RE: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

Having just read Mats Lewan's "An Impossible Invention" I would bet on Rossi knowing what he is doing. He's been through all this a coupe of times before. In particular, consider what would have happened if he had described the E-Cat in sufficient detail that others could make a working versi

Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan book : An Impossible Invention

Axil Axil, As Lennart Thornros pointed out, the problem was that DGT never paid into the escrow account by the promised date. So there was doubt that they could pay Rossi no matter how well the E-Cat worked. As Mats pointed out, Rossi was prone to jump to conclusions about what was still just

[Vo]:Dr.Ahem joining MFMP

Interesting comments about the magical range of 3 -12 nm particles & the importance of magnetism. See the linked video in the piece. http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/powder-test-cells/368-dr-brian-s-ahern-adds-significant-strength-to-the-mfmp

Re: [Vo]:Long video - Worth your time

Jones, This looks like the same video I linked earlier today under Dr. Ahem joins MFMP.

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

I used the free program Calibre to read the epub file on my computer. It works very well and does a lot of other things too. I Thought the book well written and it certainly fleshed out some details for me. The criticisms were as much because of circumstances as anything Rossi did wrong. Ro

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs does not understand that physics are empirical

Jed, you have it correctly.Mark Gibbs is caught up in the current "pc scientific way" of demanding a theory before experimental results can be accepted. It is even worse than that. Consider climate science.There the theory is preferred to the actual evidence when the two diverge.The current AR

RE: [Vo]:Gibbs does not understand that physics are empirical

Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: "However, what is significant is that Rossi never allows his tantalizing evidence to be independently validated." Actually he has. The third party verificati

RE: [Vo]:Gibbs does not understand that physics are empirical

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax I'm glad you feel better now.I am skeptical by nature but have been persuaded that Rossi has something.Just how well the E-Cats work has not been proven and there may well still be problems with repeatability and control. There are too many people who have seen demonstrat

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs does not understand that physics are empirical

Jed wrote: "Too true! I think his claims are basically true, but I have no idea about the details, or how close to reality the "hot cat" is. The details are obscured by layer upon layer of double-talk and obfuscation. I assume that is deliberate." I basically agree with you. He would have to b

Re: [Vo]:Vertical indoor farm in Singapore

Not to mention that with cheap energy from LENR the economical solution would be to supply artificial light, insulate the walls and run hotter. Also up the CO2 content. No big need for genetic improvements but they could still be useful.

Re: [Vo]:JSTOR Archives Open

Re Anger grows over the death of Aaron Swartz, you can sign a petition to have Ortiz removed from office. I read that hounding Swartz is not the only unpleasant thing she is guilty of doing. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-ov

Re: [Vo]:JSTOR Archives Open

I don't agree with you in this particular case. From what I read, the authors of the papers at JSTOR get paid nothing it all goes to the company. It was a victimless crime and JSTOR didn't want to prosecute and had settled with Swartz in June. How can you justify charging him a million dollar

Re: [Vo]:understanding Piantelli et al.'s 2013 EP2368252B1 patent

Christos Stremmenos on Piantelli Patent I was very much surprised, upon reading the “Description of Prior Art” in the publication of European Patent EP 2368 252 B1 (Jan 16th 2013, priority 24/11/2008) granted to inventor Francesco Piantelli, to find out that the inventor was said to have been

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

Rob Dingemans "Of course an inventor is to be linked to the patent(s), so this person can be seen as someone that has brought a (great) contribution for the field.' Hard to live on your great contribution, particularly if you have spent all your money and hocked your house to develop it.

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: from the dark side of LENR

From ecatreport Andrea Rossi writes: "I receive many requests of opinion about the last patents granted in matter of LENR: this comment answers to all. None of those patents explains how the E-Cat can work. I read very shaky theories in them that never produced anything really working

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

Interesting discussion.I have been writing about this for years but it is good to see the main media is starting to pick it up.The referenced article was rather unimaginative in places but noted the basic question: "who is going buy all these nice goodies if they are unemployed?" The irrationa

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

Edmund Storms wrote: "This is obviously a basic question and the obvious answer is a form of socialism. Money will have be extracted from the system to give basic support to the unemployed and underemployed. As we know from sad experience, when people are hungary and bored they gum up the syste

RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

I should have described the difficulty of transition. When a few companies have changed to fully automated production it is hard to see how they can be made to use a shorter work week, earlier retirement, higher taxes etc.To impose those things just on companies changing to full automation wou

Re: [Vo]:NHK: ocean levels may rise 9 m by 2100

Antarctica is getting colder. There has been no statistically significant global warming for 15 years despite CO2 going up 10% Wu et al., 2010 determined that the GIA commonly assumed for Greenland was way too high and that the 2002-2008 ice loss rate was 104 Gt/yr rather than the oft cited

[Vo]:It's Alive!

This paper that you can find from one of the links gives more details than I have seen before. http://aromapress.com/~defkalio/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ICCF-17-Hadjichristos-Technical-Characteristics-Paper.pdf Seems they claim they can get a COP of 22

Re: [Vo]:The limits of 3-D replicators

Jed, It seems your forecast maybe slightly off. See /3D printing with metal: The final frontier of additive manufacturing/ http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/143552-3d-printing-with-metal-the-final-frontier-of-additive-manufacturing. I see no intrinsic problem with using other materials and much h

Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

The wiki article on cold fusion shows why the science establishment will not accept any experiment.It reads: /"In January 2011 inventor Andrea Rossi together with researcher Sergio Focardi

Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

Jed wrote. /The "scientific establishment" is an abstraction. It is not a real body. There is no single group constituting that establishment that meets in a building somewhere, like a Congress, and reaches unanimous conclusions. Even if a majority of scientists remain unconvinced by a good demon

Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

Ed, I sure looks like Rossi has produced real power.Not clear why you think he is bad at business.He has apparently allied himself with a large US company capable of producing "thousands of reactors per day" yet not causing sufficient excitement to stimulate much competition.We just have to w

Re: [Vo]:Miley Arpa-E startup project reloaded! vote for for 10 days.. hurry up

te: I don't understand why a "partner" would be kept with a secret identity. Anyone can say, "I have a large US partner." I'm not saying he doesn't have one, I'm just saying it is curious. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:37 PM, a.ashfield <mailto:a.ashfi...@

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

e-catworld has this update. UPDATE: Rossi reports that one of the testers told him: ” ” What we have seen is too important, must absolutely be published”. Also, in reference to the new design of the hot cat, he states: “Basically, we have no more a reactor or a cluster of reactors, but each rea

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says third party tests concluded

Axil, It looks like my speculation may be right. Rossi writes: 1. Andrea Rossi March 25th, 2013 at 8:13 PM Dear Robert Tanhaus: 1- no, we revolutioned the technology separating the activation from the E

Re: [Vo]:Polar ice loss

If in doubt, look at the data. http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent_L.png

Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.

1. Rossi originally forecast the end of June. Now he is saying week 2 -3 June. 2. The testers are said to have full control, short of opening the E-Cat HT 3. The important new thing is the test was 6 months. We have no prior data on how long it runs. The testers were supplied with three E-Ca

Re: [Vo]:The long report about E Cat maybe out any time now.

oks0904 . Mon, 02 Jun 2014 14:03:07 -0700 "How do you know?" It is secondhand information. To really know you will have to wait for th

Re: [Vo]:Rossi will become a destroyer of nations.

Axil, It will take a longer than you suppose for LENR to take over. There will be a market for gas for decades yet.

Re: [Vo]:Relevance of the "Independent Report"

Lennart, I don't agree. It will have an effect on changing the negative attitude of government departments like DOE that effects grant money, the patent office (a bit late), the ability to get a UL certificate and certainly stimulate competition. Remains to be seen whether it would also effec

Re: [Vo]:Relevance of the "Independent Report"

Lennart, I agree with your point that it will probably take a commercial unit to convince the pathological skeptics. Rossi has said so all along and I gather is now working on a 1 MW commercial installation and says it may be ready for viewing this year.

Re: [Vo]:Skeuomorphs ride again!

Jed wrote: "The Prius starts to move the moment you take your foot off the brake, before you press the gas pedal. There is no need for that, but that is how conventional automatic transmissions work, and the car is designed to imitate them." Actually this is a useful function when you are sta

Re: [Vo]:Rossi may be making a very bad move

Axil, I don't agree. Rossi is apparently close to showing a 1 MW plant in operation and needs the paper to persuade the Patent Office, nay sayers in the government and proof that a charge lasts for 6 months.

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