Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi appears to be busy for the foreseeable future.

Is this credible to anyone? If so, why and how? Rossi can't rely on anyone else at all to help make the wondrous machines? If he's afraid of reverse engineering, he'd better not sell any at all! How does he know what his customers will do with them? Or maybe he's relying on that self-destruc

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

In the older small (but allegedly powerful) E-cats, the main (largest and probably most powerful) heater has always heated the cooling water! This is evident because it's wrapped around the *exterior* of the E-cat. This never made sense, by the way, unless the objective was to use electricity t

Re: [Vo]:Mr. Rossi appears to be busy for the foreseeable future.

> Welcome to Vortex, MY! > Thank you.

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

> >Even if he's concerned about that, he could disassemble all the way to >> the final core and stop there. > > > He did that, several times. Even with the big reactor people say they > could see the whole thing, under the cell. You can't see much in the > photos, but you can in person. It woul

[Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/10/nasa-engineer-explains-why-rossi-demos-failed/ "According to a slide presentation given by NASA engineer Michael A. Nelson, which New Energy Times obtained under a FOIA request, “Energy Catalyzer” inventor Andrea Rossi failed to conclusively show that his

Re: [Vo]:New diagram of Rossi reactor

>>  And most of all, it seems to be a serious problem for Rossi to get an >> E-cat to one of the two universities he promised them too.  I wish Rossi's >> butt were somehow a bit more resistant to pain. > > He ran out of money and couldn't pay Bologna. If he really collected E2M he > should be able

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

> However calorimatric criticism is not relevant, because Rossi has > never forbid for observers to do accurate calorimetry and check all > the necessary calibrations with their own instruments. Therefore bad > calorimetry is not likely source for the cheat, because that cheat > would depend on inc

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

> It is > irrational to demand 1,000 times more energy than chemistry can produce when > you have already seen 10 times more. The point is already proven. > I think many responsible and capable people don't believe that. The only absolutely determinative test is an independent one that rules out h

Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls

> I just wish Rossi would pay more attention to needs of customers and to PR. I just wish he'd get a single independent and credible test done. Never mind the PR stuff. As for the needs of customers, how do we know he ever had one or has one? > If he has teamed up with NI, that is exactly the r

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

> > Even if Rossi were to run the thing for 40 hours or 40 days, I am certain > you would demand more. You would still be finding excuses not to believe it. > There may be other reasons not to believe in it but certainly a 40 hour run is more persuasive than a 4 hour one, especially when there is

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > The entire empty volume of a shipping container? Since the energy >> produced is N * the number of modules, the TIME should be the SAME as a >> single eCat at the same power. >> > > Well said. > Indeed that coul

Re: [Vo]:NASA officially responds to an FOIA request that Rossi has never proved his claim

Might be their motivation is neither technical nor scientifical but > political? > A serious motivation could be to protect their own knowledge and research. > Are you talking about NASA? How would that work? What is it they are protecting? How does what they say about Rossi protect anything? I

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

> Col. (Ret.) Domenico Fioravanti > Thanks. I hope there is a tough journalist interview with him soon. I doubt that there ever will be.

Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls

> > I wish Rossi would make a gift of one of his ECATs to Mary so that she > could perform all of the tests that she desires. I suspect that she would > complain that it did not look nice enough for her to dirty her hand upon > it. What is your agenda Mary? > Well, I do wish the devices didn't l

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

> > Does anyone seriously doubt that if Fioravanti is telling the truth, there > can be any doubt the 1 MW reactor is real? Are you seriously suggesting > that a measurement using standard industrial techniques, performed by an > expert, showing 66 kWh input and 2,635 kWh might be in error?!? You c

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

I think you understood that is what I meant. Please do not be > argumentative. Please do not use straw man arguments. > > I am confident there are no hidden wires or tubes going into the reactor. > If you are not confident of that, fair enough, but please do not bring up > that issue when we are ta

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

> You go, Mare! (But careful, you're running close to your 40 post per > minute limit on Vortex ;-) > Thanks. I'm done. I actually have to work on something else for a living some of the time. Meanwhile, I notice that when NASA came up, the enthusiasts on ecatnews.comstarted talking about ba

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

> > Any scam must obey the laws of physics. > Oh yes. But you don't necessarily know which laws are used to deceive you. > All propositions and assertions in a scientific debate must be subject to > testing and must be falsifiable, at least in principle. Asserting that > somewhere, someone migh

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

Mary, you seem to love to find ways to scam scientific tests or do magic > tricks or whatever. Let me ask you a question. Can you name one > scientific experiment that is impossible to scam from the past? I tried > and can not come up with one, so give it a try. There are many ways to > sugges

Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls

> > Naturally, they are distancing themselves, but I would not say from "any" > conclusions. If they suspected it is fraud they would be crazy to allow > that press release. They would issue a strong denial instead. > Most people who have not followed the progress of this story carefully from the

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

I think there is a consensus that Rossi was the control mechanism for his > earlier devices. If this is the situation, he will not be able to leave > for any extended length of time. The self sustaining mode, if that is what > they witnessed, will require careful control if operated for very long

Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls

By the way, has anyone heard any peeps out of Mr. Parks lately? I bet he > and a lot of his cohorts are keeping a low profile. ;-) > Why would anyone keep a low profile because of Rossi?

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

> Both Levi and Lewan were given a second-shot at testing. Do you mean Levi was given a chance to repeat and record properly his long high power experiment and refused? If so, WHY?!?! | With the possible exception of the Oct 6 run, all of the investigators (not Krivit -- that was a demonstrati

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

> OK Mary, you are correct in realizing that Rossi could be attempting a > fake. Many of his supporters have reviewed the sparse data supplied during > his demonstrations and have convinced ourselves that it is real. I am > confident that we are seeing a real LENR device. > I'm happy for you, Da

Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Heat Exchanger Manifold Thermocouple Placement.

> You can't have it both ways. Either the steam is dry (complete > vaporization), in which case the temperature and pressure of the effluent > are independent, or it's not. Your assertion that the output temperature > depends directly on the pressure is a tacit statement that it's not > producing

Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls

> Well, if I had been so confident that cold fusion or LENR or what ever you > want to call it is impossible, I would feel quite foolish at the moment. > He spent many years of his career making fun of the serious researchers > operating within the field. > I'm not sure who will end up looking foo

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

> This is a completely different subject. Please do not mix up unrelated > topics. I asked how a person can test or falsify *your* assertion about > stage magic. I did not ask how Rossi can falsify his claims. > > If you will not cite a specific stage magic technique, there is no way > anyone can d

Re: [Vo]:Physorg comments : new Krivit Crusade

Faking experiments is beginning to become boring so let's call it a day. > That is the game I made reference to. > > Sorry if it bores you. The possibility that everything Rossi has shown is fake and that all the people who have endorsed it are being flummoxed is fascinating to me. So much of lif

Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls

> The deal with Rossi sounds much more like an OEM contract, and they are > very > likely to have done some diligence on it. Just the risk of adverse PR > (which they are already experiencing, > I suspect) would require a reasonable return on the cost of the perceived > risk. > What due diligence

Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Heat Exchanger Manifold Thermocouple Placement.

> The total heat contained within the mixture of water and vapor entered the > heat exchanger. The output of the exchanger was plain old fashioned cool > water. The heat was extracted to the cooling water flow. > The issue of vapor versus liquid did not remain. > Yup-- that was true October 6 bu

Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls

> > To prevent federal funds from being spent on research is going to > slow down the research. Do you not agree? > Yes. That's a pity. But it's sort of circular. If the evidence was convincing, the funds would be there. You have to start somewhere. And before we start on it, I don't k

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

> Here is my point. if you "do not know" how he might be cheating, then it > is not logical for you to propose this as a hypothesis to be debated here. > You can say it is your gut feeling he is cheating. That's fine. That's an > informal judgment. We welcome that here. But let us not confuse a gut

Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls

> I doubt that. In my experience, large corporations do not authorize press > releases without checking things out carefully. Anyone can do a Google > search and find out in a few seconds that Rossi is very controversial. I do > not think it is likely that the public relations department at Nationa

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

> I like that expression "jumping the shark". Does it mean the same as >> "screwing the pooch"? >> > > It means the voice entry system has added its own "improvement" to the > original statement. > An obvious guess is that the "shark" was supposed to be something a train > rides on. > Too bad. I

Re: [Vo]:The U.S. Patent Office's formal policy to reject all cold fusion applications

> >> When you apply for any cold fusion related patent, they automatically >> reject it with a form letter. . . . >> > > >> >> Let me upload a copy: >> >> http://lenr-canr.org/Collections/PatentOfficeMemo.jpg >> > > That is a copy of their policy, not the form letter. Sorry for the > confusion. > >

Re: [Vo]:Minor progress

> Mary, your requirement for blank test run is unreasonable, but you are > misunderstanding the reason why blank tests are used in science. Blank runs > are used when we are measuring effects that may consist on multiple unknown > variables and with controls we try to eliminate those variables that

Re: [Vo]:National Instruments signs to do E-Cat controls

> Thank you Sterling for allowing us to review. We approve the > text, especially the National Instruments portion of the story that > includes Stefano’s quote and information. > > > Oops. I see that memo is written to Allan. I guess he circulated it. I > though it was to David Ledin. If it is forg

Re: [Vo]:The U.S. Patent Office's formal policy to reject all cold fusion applications

> > -F&P, 1989. Nothing was done about about any of the rejections. What > could be done? > I don't know. I do suspect that you can sue if a worthy patent is denied. Maybe someone who is a patent attorney can comment? That's out of my area and I don't want to discuss it as I already said. My

Re: [Vo]:The U.S. Patent Office's formal policy to reject all cold fusion applications

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > And it (emphatically) does NOT follow that if F&P are right, Rossi is >> right, as some people have irresponsibly and foolishly claimed in several >> forums. >> > > Fleischmann a

[Vo]:U of Bologna denies any involvement with Rossi

"Data: 05 novembre 2011 10.01.45 GMT+01.00 A: Ufficio Stampa Alma Mater mailto:ufficiosta...@unibo.it >> Oggetto: PRESS RELEASE - E-CAT: UNIVERSITY OF BOLOGNA IS NOT INVOLVED E-CAT: UNIVERSITY OF BOLOGNA IS NOT INVOLVED The clari

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > http://www.leonardo-ecat.com > > Gee. I looked all over for an order form, a price list and a PayPal Logo and darn... no luck. Oh and: "Page posted by Sterling Allan , PES Network, Inc."

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > For me this looks like a bad joke. It is not nice to do a fan page > that superficially looks like authentic page. > It does look like a bad joke but look at this from there: " Welcome to the homepage of Andrea Rossi, and his patented cold

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Major kewl! > Yah. Looks like a camp stove.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

Uhho... this is going to cause a lot of trouble for sure. Wait until the universities hear about it! Now I really do wonder if Rossi ever saw it before it went live. Ah well... we'll know soon. Leonardo Corp Personnel Ing. Andrea A. Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > I find this very interesting. Where is there a scam here? > Oh ok. Let's order one. How do I do that exactly? (medium to small please, one each)

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Site says 100 kw min. > > Rossi gets nothing until the unit meets specifications. > Right. Steorn said something like that too. They never delivered and they have kept and spent €20 million of investor money along the merry way. They ha

Re: [Vo]:NI: "we did not buy a 1 MW cold fusion plant"

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > An addition to the Forbes article, QUOTE: > > Update #2: A followup statement from National Instruments’ John > Pasquarette, Vice President of Corporate Marketing and eBusiness: > > We did not buy a 1 MW cold fusion plant. > > So, it would ap

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Nice to see the web site is registered to Rossi but what the heck does the > validity of the E-Cat have to do with the software that was used to create > the web site or who the web site was created by or who it is administered > by? > I

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

Spin this any way you try but your time here claiming scam / fraud is over. > Sure. When you can name one customer with some reputation for credibility and they prove they've done a proper test -- but not before, OK? Someone at Ecatnews.com pointed out that the web site is so bad that someone lef

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > If Steorn was operating a scam, why have they not been charged? > I don't know. If you look at their history, it's clearly a scam. They also have contempt for their marks because they joke about them tacitly. Perhaps they operate just with

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Please tell me how Rossi can scam a engineering firm > Perhaps I wasn't clear. I suggested he may have scammed investors, not an engineering firm. Was some part of that in need of further elaboration?

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

You have suggested Rossi may have scammed investors? Bold statement there > Mary. Care to disclose your proof as otherwise you may have just committed > Defamation and I'm sure the Vortex administrators will not wish to be > involved in hosting defamatory comments. > > A bit of advise Mary, if I ma

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > You claimed Rossi may have scammed investors. Prove it or stop making up > statement that you may wish to be real. > You're making stuff up. I already said I wish Rossi would be real. And yes, he may have scammed investors. He also mig

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

Yikes! Defamation would be: "Rossi is a scammer" A personal opinion and perfectly legal: "Rossi may be a scammer (also he may not be one). Freedom of speech on that one, I think." Really -- I had this issue come up before and I checked with an attorney who specializes in it. There's no defama

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

"Next Few Months > > * New customers of the one megawatt E-Cat plant reveal their identity > publicly. > * Location of first E-Cat factory in the United States revealed." > And why do you believe that will happen? Because Sterling Allan wrote it? He's the same guy who had Obama in Mars fo

Re: [Vo]:Andrea rossi: This is not yet our official website

Latest Rossi-ism: - Andrea Rossi November 12th, 2011 at 8:57 AM WARNING: THE WEBSITE http://WWW.LEONARDO-ECAT.COMIS NOT OUR WEBSITE. IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED, IT IS A DRAFT OF A PR

Re: [Vo]:The U.S. Patent Office's formal policy to reject all cold fusion applications

> > You seem to be suggesting that there is something fundamentally different > about Rossi's Ni nanopowder compared to the nanopowder cells of Arata and > Miles, or the Ni cells of Patterson or Piantelli. I do not see any gigantic > differences. The claims seem mutually supportive to me, and to Fl

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

In Allan's case he performed no crime other than simply reporting on the > alleged Obama event. IMHO, Allan showed professionalism by NOT adding his > own personal thoughts and personal beliefs on the matter. > So let's see. If I send a report to Allan about my pink, invisible, flying unicorns th

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

.S. Patent Office that refuses to grant patents for cold fusion > > I cannot understand this attitude that Rossi should do whatever *you* say, > or Mary Yugo says, even though what you want him to do would ruin his > business. I wish he would do as I say only because I think it would b

Re: [Vo]:Oct. 28 demo: 3716 liters of water vaporized

Peter Heckert wrote: > > >> The upper pipe was not measured and had no (visible) control mechanism. >> > > >> If the final customer was not aware about this possibility, he could have >> been fooled. > > > How long would the customer be fooled? No corporation would give Rossi $2 > million without

Re: [Vo]:Order Form

Whoopee. I have to rush to put up an order form for my pink, invisible flying unicorns that make free energy. When you can name and preferably interview a customer, that sort of news will become interesting. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Michele Comitini < michele.comit...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

> Of course Mr Rossi won't let anyone look inside the eCat : until he has > world-wide patents he must protect it as a trade secret. But he has invited > several teams of scientists to conduct calorimetric tests to measure the > excess energy, using their own instruments. In particular, Lewan broug

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

> > That's unconscionable. I can give examples if you like but I'd rather >> not waste more space. . . . >> > > Please do. That would not be a waste of space. You tend to make blanket > accusations without specifics. Let's hear some specifics. It may be that > what you consider unethical, others

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

> > > Krivit seems to have good contacts who are willing to talk to him, >> including some at the U of Bologna and U of Uppsala and many scientists who >> work in cold fusion and LENR. >> > > So do I. As far as I know, the people in Bologna and Uppsala have been > telling Krivit just the opposite o

Re: [Vo]:Order Form

he first to note that. > > Where are the moderators of this forum? > > > 2011/11/12 Mary Yugo > >> Whoopee. I have to rush to put up an order form for my pink, invisible >> flying unicorns that make free energy. When you can name and preferably >> interview a custome

Re: [Vo]:The U.S. Patent Office's formal policy to reject all cold fusion applications

> > That seems unlikely to work. I may have missed it (it's not my field) >> but I don't know of any proven and properly tested and documented catalysts >> that facilitate fusion or any other nuclear reaction.Do the other >> claims involve catalysts? >> > > Yes, I think most experts would

Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> Of course nothing. But there is a lot wrong with misleading and >> deceptive advertising. >> > > Rossi has not done any advertising as far as I know. Perhaps you are > talking ab

Re: [Vo]:Order Form

> > You seem to have some difficulty with logic. > No. It seems that you are disregarding the original intent of the link to the order form. It was to suggest that Rossi is legitimate and his device is real because such a form is available. It was implied that now, for sure, properly qualified p

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Not everything there is a scam. At least one is not, which is plasma > focus, which they frequently feature among the top 5 and is based in an old > technology. But they never claimed overunity, just 1/10 of the input > energy, in the for

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > I'm beginning to see why you've been banned from so many forums. > Sorry, I don't keep track. How many was that and which ones if you know? And were they all run by fervent believers in Rossi? If you don't know which ones and who runs th

Re: [Vo]:The U.S. Patent Office's formal policy to reject all cold fusion applications

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > >> >> Yes, I think most experts would say they do. >>> >> >> That I would like to know more about. It should be easy to show -- add &

Re: [Vo]:New E-Cat customers to reveal their identity

As far as I know, Stanley Meyer sincerely believed that his devices could > make energy from plain water. > How the heck does one flummox oneself into that conclusion? How long would it take to test conclusively a purported device said to do that? A minute? Less -- it would never be able to sta

Re: [Vo]:Oct. 28 demo: 3716 liters of water vaporized

> It's pretty easy to scam a customer if you only sell one item and flee, if > you sell items so > cheaply that the duped find the cost of recovery higher than the value > recovered, or if the item sold is actually illegal. But selling large > industrial equipment to a > knowledgeable customer with

Re: [Vo]:People who will not do their homework do not deserve a response

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > mary yugo appeared on the Steorn forums and has never been supportive of > any exotic energy technology developer, company or anything. > this pseudonym is just a hater. > Most people now believe that Steorn was a scam. Are you

Re: [Vo]:People who will not do their homework do not deserve a response

> > This test will not work. Cold fusion does not produce neutrons and it >>> seldom produces radiation. I have told you that before. If you do not >>> believe me, please review the literature on your own. >>> >> >> Well that's inconvenient, isn't it? So we just look for anomalous heat >> and noth

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

Did I get the wrong guy? Who measured the dryness of steam with a Testo HVAC meter? Thanks for any correction. On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Michele Comitini < michele.comit...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2011/11/13 Mary Yugo : > > The issue isn't only or even mainly the in

Re: [Vo]:People who will not do their homework do not deserve a response

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > No time to study the literature but time to nagger and flood forums all > day with messages. > I have time to study about Rossi and directly related writings. I don't have time to read the thousands of seemingly inconclusive and difficult p

Re: [Vo]:People who will not do their homework do not deserve a response

> > If you don't read the literature, you won't be able to tell apart what is > logical to what is illogical. I disagree. Rossi's claim is different from most of the others in cold fusion because it is so extravagant -- I mean come on! A megawatt for six months on a handful of inexpensive fuel?

Re: [Vo]:People who will not do their homework do not deserve a response

It's also possible that cold fusion occurs in nature, and through the > eons, the copper we see around us is the product of the same reaction. > What reaction is that?

Re: [Vo]:Order Form

Wooops. Even Rossi can't stand those guys any more, LOL. From: “Andrea Rossi – Leonardo Corp.” To: “Sterling Allan” Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 12:16 PM Subject: Re: temporary notice posted Sterling, please: all the website is not approved, please take out from the net all the website. I h

Re: [Vo]:Order Form

What is this drivel? > An attempt at humor. Sorry it didn't rattle your funny bone!

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

> > So let’s show a little more appreciation and compassion toward the guy > that got the ball rolling. His business plans might cause him to be > eclipsed by a more professional organization now that the door has been > cracked open but I will always remember what Mr. Rossi has accomplished no >

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

Well, considering Defkalion claimed to be setting up for making hundreds of Hyperions per year in the first quarter of next year, and claimed without evidence that they had submitted applications to the Greek authorities for permits to test and sell the devices, this is pretty disappointing. My th

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

> > All of the doubts are from the peanut gallery on the Internet, especially > people such as Mary Yugo. She says she knows nothing about cold fusion, so > obviously she cannot judge. Asking her to evaluate this would be like > asking me to review a performance of the Metropolitan

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

> > Re Mary Yugo, I am reading only what she tells about Rossi and the E-cat, > not LENR or CF. > > Simple and completely correct. Proof of Rossi has nothing to do with LENR or CF. Thanks, Peter

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:43 AM, David Roberson wrote: > I have followed your suggestions for several months now. You have made > the point that Defkalion should show you anything at all. Why do you now > argue about them fulfilling your request? You should be satisfied. > It's interesting t

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > You seem to believe that Rossi owes you an explanation. He dislikes you > intenslyas a member of the chattering class and will not be affected by > your demands for proof. > > Rossi will cooperate with his cu stomers up to a point. He will remo

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

> > Rossi and other other researchers have encountered opposition from people > in other ways. Especially from people such as Yugo and Park who accuse them > of being frauds. > I never said Rossi *is* a fraud. I have said many times and many different ways that his overall story is unlikely and

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

> > Whatever they do, you will demand more, and more, and more. You will move > the goalposts down the field, out of the stadium, out of the parking lot . > . . > I am asking the same I always asked. They provided one tiny part of it. And a very weak one. > They announced they will soon provide

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 12:25 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I refer to your posts on the Defkalion site. You repeated a million times > (maybe a few less) that they should show you anything at all. That was > your desire for many posts and now they have done what you requested. Now, > you need t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

> > Both Rossi and Defkalion are doing their best to keep all the decision > making in their own hands and out of the hands of their propagandist > detractors. > Could you be kind enough to define "propagandist detractors" and how it applies to the discussion of scientific claims? I can sort of g

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

. > Oh, come now. The second photo, labeled "Hyperion in assembly", is > actually quite sharp > It's low resolution, nothing's labeled, nothing's explained, and, if the > thing really is "in assembly", then the reason it's already hooked up to a > big blue gas-tank-looking thing is not entirely c

Re: [Vo]:a modest proposal

> I suspect he practices misdirection ... > We agree. I think his entire performance at the demos consists mostly of misdirection.

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

> > Many companies do have factories, so this claim is not extravagant. It is > quite the normal thing for an industrial company to have a factory. > Yes it is but most factories have addresses you can check and visit. And very few, last I looked, make NUCLEAR FUSION REACTORS. And even fewer of

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Radio : advertising a scam ?

> My apologies : I was confusing you with Stella_Nokia (eg on Defkalion). > No worries. For what it's worth, I can assure you I am not "she". Stella_Nokia is another pseudonym for the person who writes more often as Alsetalokin and Tinsel Koala. He's someone who's worked in physics and enginee

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

> > You're the only one. who enjoys your sarcastic "put-down"-type "humor". > You even call it humor. > I think you're such a staunch believer that your feelings get hurt when anyone suggests Rossi may be scamming and makes fun of him. Others have written me privately to approve of the humor and

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

Granted that Rossi is producing anomalous heat, nevertheless absolutely > everything else about this story stinks to high heaven. The conundrum which > nobody can decipher is why someone with a real effect, or a scammer, would > operate in such a bizarre manner. The only conclusion left is that the

Re: [Vo]:Let Rossi Be Rossi?

> Except the fundamental physics, and the fact that a 30 L poorly insulated > vessel of water cannot stay at boiling temperature for 4 hours. > I disagree that the large E-cat module was ever properly inspected. For sure, nobody saw what was inside the finned rectangular portion in the interior.

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

> I'd be interested in running a gig PA with that smaller generator of his. > Then I'd know it's all useful. I still can't believe that none of these > people ever organize a "plug your phone in here to charge it" type > demonstrations. It's always good to have them do something understandable, > s

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion : first pictures of their lab released.

> You have the attitude of a hostile witness. > My unicorns make me testy. They're invisible and keep playing mean tricks on me.

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