Jeff:
Thanks for all the effort to get a better understanding of how the sensors work.
I filled out a technical response request at two different sensor manufacturers
to also get a better
understanding. Here is one response from Vaisala.com re: the effects of liquid
droplets...
"If the water d
First, here is my conclusion based on the methodology and resoning below:
"If certain conditions are present, one can reduce this to a mass-in, mass out
problem, and you
don't need to measure the volume of steam exiting in order to estimate dryness"
I don't think anyone here was suggesting that
Horace said:
"This is funny because there was an accusation that I worked for Rossi made
here at one time. A
conspiracy theory."
Horace, that was me, and it was only in jest... :-)
Are you?
Because, come to think of it, I don't think you've explicitly denied it!!
Double :-)
-Mark
t: Saturday, June 25, 2011 4:29 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...
On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> Horace said:
> "This is funny because there was an accusation that I worked for Rossi
> made here at one time. A co
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...
On Jun 25, 2011, at 9:38 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> Still no denial Horace!
> Now you're messin' with us...
> :-)
> I hope you got some stock in Rossi's company, cuz the parr-teee is
> gonna be at your house, and it
Josh:
First, thanks for at least looking at the methodology and then trying to
critique it w/o resorting
to personal attacks...
part of this exercise was to see who can at least think out of the box and
consider some PROPOSED
line of reasoning.
Second, and this really irks the hell out of me
bject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat vs. Water Heater for coffee/tea...
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> I hope you got some stock in Rossi's company, cuz the parr-teee is
> gonna be at your house, and it ain't gonna be cheap! :-)
You like Alaska in the winter?
T
If that's the case, then it might explain why Galantini specifies 100.1
(99.7+0.4 C).
Last time I looked, the specs on the combined Testo temp-hum probe were:
accuracy: +-0.4C
resolution:+-0.1C
So he was taking into consideration the worst case scenario when making his
measurements...
I assume all of the demos/tests that we've seen since Jan have been at Rossi's
building/office and
not at the University of Bologna? What's the elevation/altitude at that
location?
-Mark
Josh:
Your off by a factor of 1000 on the saturation mass of water vapor at 100.1 and
1 atm...
So I'll assume that your calc was in kg/m^3, and you forgot to convert to
grams...
NIST has a really nice website for calculating physical properties here:
http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/fluid/
>
l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proposed method for how Galantini measures steam quality...
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Josh:
Your off by a factor of 1000 on the saturation mass of water vapor at 100.1 and
1 atm...
So I'll assume that your calc was in kg/m^3, and you forgot
for how Galantini measures steam quality...
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
First, here is my conclusion based on the methodology and resoning
below:
"If certain conditions are present, one can reduce this to a mass-in,
mass out problem, and
This interesting tidbit from PhysOrg.com... Anything interesting about the
numbers 83 and 105?
Scientists have discovered fundamental steps of charging of nano-sized water
droplets and unveiled
the long-sought-after mechanism of hydrogen emission from irradiated water.
Working together at the
Krivit just posted to NET his latest report on his visit to Italy... Doesn't
paint a very rosy
picture, but that was justified since any real questions weren't answered with
any real technical
data.
What was interesting was this comment by SK,
"the day after I left Bologna, I went to Napoli and
Oops, forgot to change the Subject line...
Altho, those were interesting mirages... If not portals in other universes...
Pretty Fringe, eh? :-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:40 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
All I wanna know is where's the bikini-clad babe holding the Round-N sign!
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:45 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Cat Fight
As Iverson reported in his mirage response:)
http:/
Angela:
Thanks for providing some hopefully more accurate data! I posted a question a
few days ago as to
what the altitude was for the location of Rossi's office where all the
tests/demos have been done.
We can't make the mistake of thinking they were done at the University.
Just how well do y
Steven:
If you're implying that Angela (or someone) might be proposing that weather
conditions might have
some effect OTHER THAN simply affecting the BP of water, then NO, I don't think
that's the case. As
has been discussed at length here, the E-Cat's performance critically depends
on the ste
Another interesting observation of the old chimney, is that not only is it
about 4 times taller, but
the diameter of it increases to at least double that of the short vertical
section of pipe that
feeds it! Could it be that when they were running this thing at 10KW to 20KW,
the volume of steam
baffles are...
-Mark
_
From: Joshua Cude [mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:32 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's
analysis
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
o: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's
analysis
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Geezus Josh, you're grasping at straws... and obviously flawed ones at that.
First:
It should be COMPELETLY
Joshua wrote:
"I guess I misunderstood you when you said "
"The chimney could also have some baffles inside that would prevent liquid
water from being
ejected; it would simple fall back down into the boiling water." [iverson]
Ever hear of an 'ejection' seat... or the phrase, 'the person
[Vo]:Rossi responds to "movie professor" and Peter Ekstrom's
analysis
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Again, I think it would be obvious that ***IF*** the heat production of the
reactor is not enough to
vaporize nearly all of the water flowing in each secon
Joshua wrote:
"No, this is not the way it would happen. Even if the power is enough to
vaporize only a few per
cent of the water (by mass), then gas will occupy nearly all the volume (ninety
some per cent). So,
there is no way that the chimney would fill up with water; that would block the
hig
Guys:
The E-Cats have more than one resistance heater. With the last several demos,
there have been two,
one internal and one external...
This proposal only deals with the internal one, and assumes that the internal
heating element is
very near to the reactor, or inside the outer walls of the
To all Vorts that read/speak Italian:
Could you please visit the website that Harry Veeder supplied and report back
to "The Collective"!
http://www.ioriocirillo.com/eng/index.php
Thanks in Advance,
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hlvee...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednes
Robert:
Thank you for taking time to do some calcs on the hydrogen pressure inside
after ignition...
Another interesting tidbit I noticed when investigating the specific heat of
the rubber hose vs
other materials (including cast iron which Joshua Cude was using as a
comparison), I sorted th
Okay Rich, what have you been smokin' this evening?
There are too many unknowns, unfortunately, to come to any real conclusion for
or against... So we
just wait and continue to discuss the information as it slowly flows out... Pun
intended.
:-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Rich Murr
Josh:
Would not any material with a significant heat capacity cause a sort of a
low-pass filter effect;
delaying and smoothing out the temperature fluctuations???
Well we have three material in this system that have high specific heats:
- In the reactor we have water (4.18) and hydrogen gas (
Jeff wrote:
"...it can condense into microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat (heat
of vaporization)"
Agreed, and where does that released latent heat GO?
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Driscoll [mailto:hcarb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:37 AM
To: vortex-
it
3. the input water is not measured correctly intentionally (fraudulently)
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
> "...it can condense into microscopic droplets while giving up latent heat
> (heat of vaporization)"
>
> Agreed,
Take a look at Fig. 2.2.3 (about 2/3rds of the way down the page) on this
website:
http://www.spiraxsarco.com/resources/steam-engineering-tutorials/steam-engineering-principles-and-he
at-transfer/what-is-steam.asp
There is a very clear explanation below the Figure...
This is the best referen
I think one has to take into consideration the specific heat... think of the
water as a big 'heat
capacitor', and although it is at the boiling point (BP) at point 'B' on the
graph, it absorbs a
shitload more heat energy by the time it gets to point 'C' on the graph,
imparting more and more
ki
Damon:
What do you mean by this statement???
"Water at 100 C does not boil and magically get 0.1 degree hotter as steam.
What were they
thinking?"
The temperature of steam can be anywhere from boiling point on up to hundreds
of degrees... it all
depends on pressure.
-Mark
_
From:
Steven wrote:
"Sigh... guess I'll have to get my own."
Come on Steven, 'fess-up... that was your plan all along!!!
;-)
Now you won't have to share...
-Mark
Nikola Tesla...
-Mark
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From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:36 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
Re: Unban Stella_No
Josh wrote:
"Surely someone so brilliant to find the solution to the world's energy
problems, should be able to
design an airtight demonstration of it, that the galloping gourmet can't
dispute."
I'm sure Rossi could if he wanted to... he just doesn't have the time, and has
stated that sever
He also uses: Tinsel Koala
-Mark
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From: Alan J Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff
At 12:54 PM 7/7/2011, Mark Iverson wrote:
Nikola Tesla...
Ahhh .
com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:14 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Comment from Defkalion forum -- miscellaneous stuff
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> He also uses: Tinsel Koala
Yes, the same dude who allegedly made a self running "whipmag" mot
Amazing video (time-lapse) of massive dust storm in Phoenix, Arizona...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYnuzoH5oBA&feature=related
Note the sky above the leading edge and how clouds form... Temperature and
pressure must be changing
quite dramatically.
-Mark
And that jogging went down Merlot Lane or Cabernet Circle?
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:17 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:INFORMAVOREs SUNDAY No 463
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Peter Gluck wr
Another tidbit, but from part 1 of 2...
"The post-reaction analysis shows a copper isotope ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 1.6,
while the natural
occurrence show a ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 2.24 which is a statistically
significant difference. That,
of course, excludes contamination as an explanation of Co
Smaller is not necessarily better... here's an interesting tidbit from the
ecatreport.
"Andrea Rossi stresses that, although one might first think "the finer the
better" because the finer
the powder the more surface area per volume you get, this is not the case.
Because in order to reach
usefu
Steven wrote:
"For now, I think I'll reserve a definitive conclusion on the Rossi matter."
As Richard Feynman said, there are some who are very uncomfortable not making a
decision...
Some individuals tend to operate in a binary mode, and are constantly changing
their 'decision' as
new data come
But Robin, how about the 2nd half of that excerpt, where the optimal grain-size
is more than a
micrometer, not nanometers... I would think that a 'tubercle', which is likely
composed of numerous
'grains', would be larger than its constituent parts (i.e. a grain)!
"Rossi tells that he worked ever
JC stated:
"...and the heated walls are at a higher temperature. So, it must get hotter."
What makes you think that the walls of the vertical section (i.e., the
'chimney') are at a higher
temperature than the walls of the horizontal section that has water at a much
lower temperature
entering, a
Robert wrote:
"The statements of Defkalion, including their alleged liquid-phase-only
testing, mean that they've
either passed Rossi in development, or they are complicit in propogating
misinformation."
Rossi is not really into the design of final products -- his 'product' is the
reactor core
JC wrote:
"Have I got it straight? Because if so, then I think the idea is whacked. If
not -- if you think the
ecat *can* produce intermediate powers -- please try to explain what would
come out of the ecat if
it were producing 2 kW power (in the Krivit demo). Presumably, if there is no
forbidd
http://www.k1man.com/web60/Page_67x.html
-Mark
mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:42 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Anybody seen this GUT before?
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Mark Iverson wrote:
>
> http://www.k1man.com/web60/Page_67x.html
No, but do you know many HAMs?
http://www.k1man.com/web60/Page_1x.html
:-)
T
jed, I got the post and the picture...
-Mark
_
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 12:22 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Is the itty-bitty photo visible?
I posted a message titled "Calibrating a pair of K-type thermocouples" with an
Abd wrote:
"Whatever is the cause, that the temperature is nailed shows that there is
steam and water in
equilibrium."
It's only been recently that Rossi admits to achieving completely dry steam,
and from Kullander's
report we can estimate that the steam has less than 2% liquid content (1.4%
fr
Abd wrote:
"... that the temperature is nailed shows that there is steam and water in
equilibrium.
This is not a characteristic of dry steam."
It all depends on the consistency of the inlet flow rate and water temperature,
and the reactor's
heat production. With most of the tests the pump us
Here's an excerpt from a science news story today about the effect that
hydrogen has on graphene...
perhaps there is some relevance to what happens inside the reactor when the H2
becomes heated and
pressure to increase...
===
Findings of researchers at the Department of
Robert's statement here, if true, would be tragically hilarious!
"It's always possible that A.R.'s too stubborn to listen to criticism and, in
an effort to "turn the
E-Cat down", - ended up turning it off."
That would be one for the history books!
-Mark
erage as soon as
possible. Oh, gee,
perhaps that's why the 'progress' toward a self-sustaining E-Cat... What a
coincidence!
Interesting times indeed...
-Mark Iverson
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-iverson/6/915/409
I guess that statement could also be interpreted as...
"... The patent will "EXPIRE" in 9 years"
But that doesn't add up since that means it was granted over 11 years ago (20
year term?)...
Any other interpretations for that statement???
-Mark
-Original Messag
I'm all in favor of moving to a more modern venue as well since there are times
when I've wanted to
upload files or photos and am frustrated that we're operating with such
limitations...
As far as 'Who decides'?
I think most of the 'regulars' and ol' Timers would agree that, out of respect
for
Fran and Jones...
This also may involve Casimir effects, but on a Hubble scale... Haven't heard
of that before!
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-gyroscope-unexplained-due-inertia.html
"McCulloch proposes that the gyroscope's inertial mass is determined by
surrounding Unruh radiation
that i
There were two things that struck me as unusual about Art's Parts:
1) extremely thin alternating layers of two elements (a multi-layered
capacitor?)
2) those elements were **extremely** pure
In many cases, the electrical/physical properties of the extremely pure are
quite different from
even
Perhaps we should all contribute a few bucks, buy one and have it shipped to
Professor Levi at the U
of B! :-)
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Michele Comitini [mailto:michele.comit...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:41 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Steam Test Ki
eering with your
domesticated
calorimeter.
It is such a perfect setup for the 5-10 kW range - and the results of testing
should be so precise
and idiot-proof without high cost, that it can be considered suspicious NOT to
go this route IMHO.
Jones
-Original Message-
From: Mark Iverson
T.Blanton wrote:
(This is getting outta hand.)
Isn't that the whole purpose?
:-)
It's ok to put away the serious for a few moments, and just laugh...
In fact, its healthy!
I know I don't have to remind Terry, but some on this list could definitely use
a regular dose of
laughter.
Here's to th
Was RH measurement 'flawed'?
So long as the probe is rated to operate above 100°C, it should provide a valid
RH reading, PROVIDED
you let the probe come up to the same temperature as the vapor.
"with a probe guaranteed to resist up to 550°C"
So the probe can work up to 550°C.
When a cold probe
Mattia wrote:
"There is NO AIR inside e-cat. Only vapor mixture.
The probe is designed ONLY for measurements in AIR."
I'm afraid that is a common misconception which was mentioned on this list
shortly after the January
demo...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity
"Misconception
Often
I know that all residential bldgs here in the US are NOT at water main
pressure... all bldgs have a
regulator that drops the pressure below that in the main line under the street.
Whether that is the
case for industrial bldgs in Italy, I don't know, but I would also think that
one would have to
These are very interesting developments indeed... And not unexpected.
As Einstein said, "Without morality in out actions, there is no salvation for
mankind".
It's hard enough finding business people who have a high level of integrity
when times are good, but
given the dismal state of affairs in
Abd said...
"Rossi could have and should have delegated response there to someone he
trusted.
If he trusts anyone!"
Indeed, if I were Rossi, I'd have a hard time trusting anyone...
Assuming that Defkalion has 'played' Rossi, what I'd like to know is if
Stremmenos is complicit in
this deceptio
FYI:
I know this is really far from what is usually discussed, but I post this in
the hopes that it might
provide an alternative treatment for anyone who comes across this who is, or
knows of someone,
suffering from cancer...
http://www.burzynskimovie.com/
We just watched this movie on The D
At this time the movie is free to view at the website run by his patients who
have been cured...
http://burzynskipatientgroup.org/
-Mark
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From: Mark Iverson [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:37 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]: OT, Dr
FYI:
Discovery of geomagnetically trapped cosmic ray antiprotons
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.4882v1.pdf
Excerpts from abstract:
"This Letter reports the discovery of an antiproton radiation belt around the
Earth. The trapped
antiproton energy spectrum in the South Atlantic An
Someone felt that it appears that Defkalion is acting conciliatory...
This isn't surprising at all... Defkalion and/or Stemmenos confirmed that
Rossi's comment about it
being 'purely financial' would explain what has happened. For whatever
reasons, Defkalion has not
performed according to the c
Had Galantini submitted this report a long time ago, it could have saved alot
of net bandwidth...
It is also very similar reasoning to what I tried to explain many months ago,
then on 8/4, and again
recently with Jeff Driscoll off-list.
1) It is NOT necessary to have AIR (i.e., N2 and O2) pre
It takes a lawyer, or a former lawyer, to recognize the following comment by
Jones (a former
lawyer):
2)"There are no Rossi reactors in Greece." True. In fact the reactors
submitted to the Greek
government are made by DGT, called Hyperions and are not Rossi's E-Cats, and
come from a design o
Hi Steven...
I've taken part in this aspect of a startup more than once. And it's just
started for the E-Cat...
No doubt there will be several more, but the bluff and posturing may never see
the light of the
public venue since Rossi has made it clear that he's holding nearly all the
cards... H
Translation:
"Defkalion has kissed enough of Rossi's behind and smoothed Rossi's ruffled
feathers, and all is
good for now..."
Does that mean that DGT is still in the game if they hurry up and produce
according to the contract?
Time will tell...
-Mark
_
From: Terry Blanton [mailto
LoL!
With wads of cotton in his cheeks...
-Mark
_
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 5:21 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:TIS THE SEASON FOR NO MORE COMMENTS
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
Translation
-Mark
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From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:16 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:TIS THE SEASON FOR NO MORE COMMENTS
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Mark Iverson wrote:
LoL!
With wads of cotton in his cheeks...
That wo
Abd stated:
"So what happens? Half the water spills into the tube, half is vaporized and
also flows into the
tube. This is 50% quality steam, in the tube."
I think that is a misunderstanding on your part, Abd.
The 'wet' in wet steam is ONLY suspended water droplets, NOT water condensed on
the i
Abd wrote:
"You are, however, assuming that Galantini could tell that the chimney had no
liquid water in it at
the level of the thermometer, because he withdrew the probe and "observed that
it was dry."
[deleted sentence]
"Has it occurred to you that steam doesn't come out of the thermometer por
Abd wrote:
"Mark, you are focusing on the name of the thing rather than the reality. For
our purposes, "wet
steam" is a 2-phase system in equilibrium at the boiling point. The size of the
phase regions is not
relevant."
IMHO, that's being sloppy. If we're really serious about getting to the tru
This is an interesting and detailed animation of the sequence of events that
eventually led to the
failure of the Blow-Out Preventer (BOP) and subsequent flow of crude into the
Gulf... They include
pictures of the actual failed components which provided the clues to piece
together what happened
You can get the gist of it just by the hyperlink...
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-controversial-energy-generating-lacking-credibility-video.html
-Mark
FYI:
Inexpensive catalyst that makes hydrogen gas 10 times faster than natural enzyme
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-inexpensive-catalyst-hydrogen-gas-faster.html
Looking to nature for their muse, researchers have used a common protein to
guide the design of a material that can make energy-
Just an FYI:
CERN physicist Dragan Slavkov Hajdukovic has proposed that the illusion of dark
matter may be caused
by the gravitational polarization of the quantum vacuum.
"We can consider our universe as a union of two mutually interacting entities,"
Hajdukovic said.
"The first entity is our
Abd wrote:
"But pressure is also important, because, of course, boiling point depends on
pressure. I see no
sign that the actual pressure inside the E-cat was measured directly."
I just read a quote yesterday from Galantini, not sure where, but I think is
may have been on
Passerini's site, whe
Steven wrote:
"This year the convention will be held in Reno, Nevada."
Steven, or any others in the Vort collective that are headed to Reno...
It would be nice to get together one evening...
Cindy and I have lived here for over 20 years, and know where all the good
local places are!
Also,
Just an FYI.
-mark
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-physicists-molecule-identical-atoms.html
Leif Holmlid
"Precision bond lengths for Rydberg Matter clusters Kn (N = 19, 37, 61 and
91)
in excitation levels n = 4 - 8 from rotational radio-frequency emission
spectra"
The Rf frequencies involved are less than 100Mhz. certainly within the realm
of the RF generator used in one of Ross
This from PhysOrg.com.
"In short, we discovered we can grow normal and tumor cells from the same
patient forever, and nobody has been able to do that," he says. "Normal cell
cultures for most organ systems can't be established in the lab, so it
wasn't possible previously to compare normal and t
Might I suggest all Not Off Topic (i.e., technical, aka, ‘signal’) postings use
NOT in the subject line to make them more obvious to those who care not to
waste bandwidth on the personal aspects of the Rossi saga…
In my latest session of ‘serendipitous surfing’, I was scanning a PDF of the
docu
In Nevada, collective bargaining and behind doors negotiating has resulted in
Fire Marshalls making
a quarter of a million dollars a year in total compensation! That is absolutely
ridiculous... I
would only be in favor of it if its done in the open.. These are public
employees, and the taxpayers
ct: Re: [Vo]:OT: Collective bargaining
On Feb 23, 2011, at 8:56 AM, Mark Iverson wrote:
> In Nevada, collective bargaining and behind doors negotiating has
> resulted in Fire Marshalls making a quarter of a million dollars a
> year in total compensation! That is absolutely ridiculous
Jones:
I remember someone here saying that someone at the Jan 14 demo said they could
hear the sound of
rushing air inside the hose, and that it was routed thru the door and into the
sink in another room
nearby... that narrows it down, since only a few people on vortex are in
contact with someon
Abd:
You've been most patient, and Jed too, in trying to bring JC up to speed on the
facts, don't waste
your time... Of course, one could predict how he was going to respond, with the
following statement:
"You know, if you spent less time trying to analyze my motives, and describe my
style, and
niele Passerini who writes the reports
and with Giuseppe
Levi. If something interesting happens, i can ask them, but only answerable
questions.
By the way the great problem now is to understand how 0.4 grams of hydrogen can
n generate 270 KWh
energy. Amazing.
Peter
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at
Charles wrote:
"Isn't it more likely that the skeptics simply think the field is a joke,
rather than that they're
intimidated by the weight of the positive evidence?"
Yes, given the ridicule that CF has received over the years, that is certainly
a good possibility...
We're very complex beings an
Because of the multiple uses of words like nuclear and fission and fusion, the
message was FWDed to
the Department of Homeland Security... Jones, warm up the tea and crumpets...
you'll be having some
expected, but uninvited, visitors soon... :-)
-Mark
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From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hh
Not interesting yet...
I'll bet he's watching it very closely, though, and will likely mention
something when he's had more
time to ask the same questions as we have here of course, even though he
might ask himself the
same questions, doesn't mean his rational mind will overcome his patholo
Very interesting article (some specific text below). It seems to be indicating:
1) atoms as a whole vibrate, but that is only because they are out of balance
internally
2) whatever an 'atom' is, INTERNALLY it has very regular/periodic oscillations
going on
3) when a quantum or quanta of heat (or
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