[Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

A lot of the keyboard banging could be avoided if folks would simply preface their comments with 3 attributes: Business vs Science viewpoint Circumstantial vs Direct evidence Guilt vs Innocence presumption For instance, if someone has $2M in their retirement account and they're thinking about whe

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Can't you just ban this noise-box, Jed? On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > The pseudoskeptics continually assert that their criticism of those who >> are investigating Rossi's claims has nothing to do with whether Pons and >> Fleischmann had any validity to their claims. This

[Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

In the tradition of Alan Fletcher's exemplary skepticism: If the pressure at the output thermocouple of the Oct 28 demo exceeds the critical pressure of steam at the reported temperature, then there is no heat of vaporization represented in the mass flow hence in the imputed power level. We may g

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > James Bowery wrote: > > Can't you just ban this noise-box, Jed? > > > I can't ban anyone. > Then that ends that discussion.

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > 2011/11/15 James Bowery > >> If the pressure at the output thermocouple of the Oct 28 demo exceeds the >> critical pressure of steam at the reported temperature, then there is no >> heat of vaporization represented i

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

upper bounds) is to feedback from temperature to the heat-transport medium's mass flow rate. If there is no such control then I can't conceive of how the temperature is stabilized. On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:18 PM, J

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > On 11-11-15 10:31 AM, James Bowery wrote: > >> The pseudoskeptics continually assert that their criticism of those who >> are investigating Rossi's claims has nothing to do with whether Pons and >> Fleischm

[Vo]:Temperature Control in E-Cat Self-sustained Mode

What controls the temperature in the E-Cat's self-sustained mode? I had presumed that all the work Rossi did to go from resistivity heated temperature control to self-sustained temperature control was geared around feedback of the temperature to the heat transport mass flow rate. I didn't have di

Re: [Vo]:Temperature Control in E-Cat Self-sustained Mode

gt; skeptical viewpoints re Rossi: John Pasquarette: Rich Murray 2011.11.11 > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 6:24 AM, James Bowery wrote: > >> What controls the temperature in the E-Cat's self-sustained mode? >> >> I had presumed that all the work Rossi did to go f

Re: [Vo]:Temperature Control in E-Cat Self-sustained Mode

d, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:05 AM, James Bowery wrote: > This doesn't apply to the reaction chamber itself if we presume Rossi's > temperature-enhanced reaction rate is in play there. Regardless of how the > pressure changes or what the phase mixture is, the temperature will > cont

Re: [Vo]:Temperature Control in E-Cat Self-sustained Mode

ssi's repeated assertions that reaction rate increases with temperature). On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:05 AM, James Bowery wrote: > >> This doesn't apply to the reaction chamber itself if we presume Rossi's >&

Re: [Vo]:Temperature Control in E-Cat Self-sustained Mode

Ooops... my intuition screwed up on this one: Since the effective specific heat does not remain constant with temperature -- there is a discontinuous rise at the boiling point -- there is a dramatic rise in the effective heat transport with temperature at the boiling point (whatever it is for the

Re: [Vo]:Temperature Control in E-Cat Self-sustained Mode

By the way, this means that if the water in the reactor vessel is under enough pressure, the water pressure can be very high. This means, in turn, that if it goes through a pressure drop, it can be completely vaporized -- indeed superheated steam. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:56 AM, James Bowery

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

d be quite substantial prior to the thermocouple, resulting in a dry -- even superheated -- steam. So my originally post problem of estimating the pressure at the output thermocouple still stands as critical in invalidating the Oct 28 demonstration. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:23 AM, James Bowery wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:12 AM, James Bowery wrote: > >> OK, I've now conceived of how the temperature is stabilized without >> feedback control, and it doesn't require anything like mixed phase flow.

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM, James Bowery wrote: > That's true if there is no latent heat of vaporization represented in the > liquid water. With careful setting of the water flow rate, one can > approach vaporization within the reactor vessel without any actual > vapor

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:41 PM, James Bowery wrote: > I recall the manometer registered 3 bar, which is 300kPa which corresponds > to a potential liquid water temperature of 130C at the exit from the > reaction vessel. This doesn't leave him a lot of room to play with before &

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > ** > > > On 11-11-16 08:59 AM, James Bowery wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> On 11-11-15 10:31 AM, James Bowery wrote: >> >>> The pseudoskeptics

[Vo]:Oct 28 Condenser Problem

Examining the condenser, the condenser channels are horizontal pipes in a vertical array. It _appears_ as though each of 7 channels does one round-trip, returning on the pipe just below. One channel would look like: ___ Inflowing vapor (___ Outflowing liq

[Vo]:E-Cat's Big Scientific Coincidence?

Is there a plausible explanation for why the temperature at which reaction initiates in the E-Cat just happens to be so close to the boiling point of water? A NiH system doesn't bear any particular relationship to water that I can see. Is this a big scientific coincidence/serendipity or is there

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat's Big Scientific Coincidence?

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > At 11:32 AM 11/16/2011, James Bowery wrote: > >> Is there a plausible explanation for why the temperature at which >> reaction initiates in the E-Cat just happens to be so close to the boiling >> point of water? &

Re: [Vo]:Oct 28 Condenser Problem

Erratum: "One channel" -> "The seven channels" On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:21 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Examining the condenser, the condenser channels are horizontal pipes in a > vertical array. It _appears_ as though each of 7 channels does one > round-trip,

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:59 AM, James Bowery wrote: > >> >> The pseudoskeptics are basically saying that all we have to do is look at >> the circumstantial evidence to know that even cursory investigatio

Re: [Vo]:Steorn's HephaHeat Eclipses Rossi's ECat

Steorn is not stating anything about the input power requirements for their HephaHeat product in that product's web pages. The personal communication about "1kW" was made regarding a FaceBook video of a device that might be construed to be related but is not claimed to be related by the Steorn Hep

Re: [Vo]:Petroldragon and Leonardo Technologies, Inc.

This is a good example of why circumstantial evidence should be the last resort. Who can deny that Rossi was indicted and tried? Who can deny that the Italian government is corrrupt? Most importantly, how do you weigh the virtually unlimited bits and pieces of circumstantial evidence against eac

[Vo]:USPTO Lawlessness?

There have been many complaints about the US patent office refusing to grant anything that "smacks of cold fusion" ever since the mid 1990s. Patterson was, I believe, the last person to be granted a patent and he is now dead. Does anyone have a cite for an official communication from the USPTO reg

Re: [Vo]:USPTO Lawlessness?

Here is a search of uspto.gov for "cold fusion": http://goo.gl/groRG I think this hit indicates that the formal stance is that despite it being "incredible" technology, "cold fusion" should be evaluated on the basis of "utility": Examples of such cases include: ... a "cold fusion" process for pr

Re: [Vo]:Rossi opens 10 KW expression of interest list and sets 10 kW price

While it is almost certainly the case that by the time you take delivery in or about 2013, the most critical questions surrounding the E-Cat will have been answered, it is also almost certainly the case that Rossi will reach the 10,000 customer waiting list before those questions have been answered

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's interview with "Tom and Doug"

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Oh well . . . the first reliable historical report of airplane flight was > published in "Gleanings in Bee Culture" by Amos Root, in 1905. Still > published: > > http://www.beeculture.com/ > Now only in archive.com: http://web.archive.org/w

Re: [Vo]:Rossi to come to the Massachusetts State House tomorrow

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > MIT? How is that possible. MIT is the epicenter of the anti-cold fusion > conspiracy... > > Now THAT's hilarious! With one hand MIT was trashing Fleischmann and Pons and with the other hand they were simultaneously bolting out of the gate

Re: [Vo]:Rossi to come to the Massachusetts State House tomorrow

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> James Bowery wrote: >> >>> With one hand MIT was trashing Fleischmann and Pons and with the other >>> hand they were simultaneously bolting out of

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Someone was kind enough to dig up this document: > > http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/2100_2107_01.htm > > > -- Forwarded message -- From: James Bowery Date: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:12 P

Re: [Vo]:Rossi to come to the Massachusetts State House tomorrow

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> MIT? How is that possible. MIT is the epicenter of the anti-cold fusion >> conspiracy... >> >> >> If they're the epicenter of the "conspiracy" it's not a very

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

My question: Did Sen. Bruce Tarr ask Rossi any questions to which Rossi provided surprising (to B. Tarr) answers? When an attorney calls a witness, he knows the answers before he asks the questions. The same applies to public hearings where an elected official invests his political capital in ca

[Vo]:Only the Paranoid Survive

The last book published by Intel founder Andrew S. Grovewas titled "Only the Paranoid Survive". Senility or experience?

[Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex Engine Critical Questions

Chapter 5 (page 107) of the 2011 doctoral thesis Numerical Simulation of Tornado-like Vortices by Diwakar Natarajan concludes that cross-winds do not affect the power generation capacity of the AVE, but it appears that this is only with

Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM, noone noone wrote: > The big cost difference between E-Cat technology and conventional > technologies will of course be the fuel cost. The fuel cost for a one > megawatt cold fusion planet will probably be at least 1/1000 times less > than one powered by coal or n

Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:01 AM, James Bowery wrote: > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM, noone noone wrote: > >> The big cost difference between E-Cat technology and conventional >> technologies will of course be the fuel cost. The fuel cost for a one >> megawatt

[Vo]:Dealing with the noise box

Although the "kill file" approach doesn't work due to responses, one can use email filters such as gmail's to filter not only on the "from" field but on words that occur in the body of the message. The increase in signal to noise ratio is a pleasure.

Re: [Vo]:Dealing with the noise box

Oh, I almost forgot: For gmail, the action to take upon filter match is "delete". Others won't get rid of the noise. On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 12:32 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Although the "kill file" approach doesn't work due to responses, one can > use ema

Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam

; > Can the Vort collective come up with any logic for his series claims? > > -- > Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 11:07:33 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cats and 450 deg C steam > From: jabow...@gmail.com > To: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com > CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:Dealing with the noise box

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > With GMail, it is better to reduce noise by searching unvanted people and > keywords and mark them automatically as read. > I tried that, but Gmail organizes things in "conversations" that includes read messages in the stream so you still e

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex Engine Critical Questions

This waterspout video seems to support the laminar hypothesis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN7ug1zoWWE On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, James Bowery wrote: > Chapter 5 (page 107) of the 2011 doctoral thesis Numerical Simulation of > Tornado-like > Vortices<http://vortexe

Re: [Vo]:Atmospheric Vortex Engine Critical Questions

Indeed, there is a similar phenomenon over land known as landspouts that are known to be laminar. It looks like Natarajan screwed up. On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:07 AM, James Bowery wrote: > This waterspout video seems to support the laminar hypothesis. > > http://www.youtube.co

Re: [Vo]:Congress cuts the Gordian knot of aviation patents in 1917

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > ...There is precedent for this. In 1917, the United States wanted to begin > large-scale mass production of aircraft for World War I. The industry was > hamstrung by patent fights especially by the original patent which had been > bought by W

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

This morning, I ran across a truly classy cold fusion joke appearing in Charles Beaudette's book "Excess Heat" in that book's appendix: "The Internet Noise Level" written as a letter to "Dr. I. M. Noteworthy". I was delighted to see Beaudette's association of the word "noise" with "internet" regar

[Vo]:Codeposition of Ni/H

Since codeposition of Pd/D seems to be one of the better ways to get reproducible P&F effects, and there has been a lot of work done in electrodeposition of Ni, with the inevitable result of Ni/H codeposition, where are the reports of anomalous heat in the world of Ni electrolysis?

Re: [Vo]:Codeposition of Ni/H

packing into nickel nano-powder. > > - Strong Coulomb barrier masking. > > - Gamma Radiation thermalization, mitigation, and prevention. > > Industry standard electrodeposition of Ni does none of these key things. > > > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:57 AM, James Bow

Re: [Vo]:Codeposition of Ni/H

industry. Why hasn't anyone notice excess heat? On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:58 PM, James Bowery wrote: > Uh, I'm not talking about the E-Cat. I'm talking about a huge industry > with a long history. > > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > >>

[Vo]:Nickel salts for sale?

Where can I get small quantities of soluble nickel salts? Nickel chloride would be fine. Reagent grade would be nice but not absolutely necessary. Hopefully I won't have a SWAT team of wannabe secret police attack dogs bashing down my door if I get my mitts on such an obvious threat to Homeland

Re: [Vo]:Nickel salts for sale?

Better yet: http://www.hyperdeath.co.uk/chemicals/inorganic.php They list: http://www.jdphotochem.com/ But thank the DHS on High, they're out of business! We're safe. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > From James, > > > Where ca

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

Your interpretation of "begun" should be constrained by the context of the original question in which "begun" is contrasted with "starting up". However, your interpretation of "begun" was not so constrained. I suggest you restate your argument with that in mind. On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:03 AM,

[Vo]:Recycling high temperature electrolysis with metal oxide fuel cell

It occurs to me that a since high temperature electrolysisconverts steam heat to chemical energy in the form of separate flows of hydrogen and oxygen, and high temperature fuel cellsconve

Re: [Vo]:Satellite Video Captures Cloaked Klingon Ship

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > I have no idea of what it is but it is not an imaging fault as it was > observed by another solar satellite. Yes it is. Look at the video taken from the opposite side of Mercury. If it was a real object, it would appear on the left han

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion and the 2012 Election Cycle

With the DoE consistently opposing funding of cold fusion research it is clear that if Rossi let's his e-Cat out of the bag, it will benefit Ron Paul, who has most visibly and consistently over time opposed the existence of the DoE. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 2:52 AM, noone noone wrote: > I think th

[Vo]:Policy Recommendations

As the theocracy unravels, opportunities for reform may present themselves. We can hope that such Reformation is not as bloody as that which followed Galileo but the modern era has given rise to much worse phenomena in reaction to calcified institutions, such as Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge

[Vo]:National Security and Population Structure

A young Nebraska farmer's son went to war against Germany and came back with code-breaking skills, as well as good DoD contacts. His name was William Norris. He started Control Data Corporation with a young engineer named Seymour Cray and, with 34 people out on Seymour's farm in Wisconsin (only o

Re: [Vo]:Eatlim claims 50% thermal to electrical conversion efficiency

1000C input temperature can achieve 50% Carnot efficiency with an exhaust temperature of 362C Not quite hot enough for input to MHD ;-) On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > At 01:31 AM 12/30/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > >> http://www.technologyreview.**com/energy/32267

Re: [Vo]:Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy) discusses irony of LENR politics

The "war" against the phrase "cold fusion" seems to derive from some sort of attempt at spin control on the whole affair. At some level, if the phrase "cold fusion" can be "debunked" then the physics establishment can save face in the eyes of the vast majority of the population. It is that concer

Re: [Vo]: wired.uk on defkalion

If there were a movie portraying a world made continually overcast by the environmental engineering of vampires so they could rule the world and keep humans as livestock -- and the sun breaking through anyway to burn them all alive as the climax, then we would be onto something. Short of that, how

[Vo]:Sterling Alan Accuses Dan Glover of PTP Licensing of Interstate Fraud?

In "Part I: My Concerns About Inteligentry" Sterling Alan asserts: "no one there (except John, allegedly) has ever seen a working engine yet". Is it not the case that Dan Glover of PTP Licensing has repeatedly and publicl

Re: [Vo]:Sterling Alan Accuses Dan Glover of PTP Licensing of Interstate Fraud?

My question has been deleted from PESN. No answer to the question is evident. On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 4:18 PM, James Bowery wrote: > In "Part I: My Concerns About > Inteligentry<http://pesn.com/2012/08/21/9602163_Part_I--My_Concerns_About_Inteligentry/>" > Sterlin

Re: [Vo]:Sterling Alan Accuses Dan Glover of PTP Licensing of Interstate Fraud?

Yes. That question was first posted to PESN, then here to vortex-l. It was there, at PESN for while. I have repeatedly tried to locate it to no avail. On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > James Bowery wrote: > > My question has been deleted from PESN. No answ

Re: [Vo]:Curiouser and curiouser

Speaking as someone who ran the software development for automated inspection of ordnance at SAIC: You always want to characterize your sensors to the greatest degree that resources permit. In this case, where you've just spent billions to get the sensor into service, and you are dealing with sci

Re: [Vo]:Sterling Alan Accuses Dan Glover of PTP Licensing of Interstate Fraud?

use than this. On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 10:54 AM 8/26/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > James Bowery > <<mailto:jabow...@gmail.com>ja**bow...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> My question has been deleted from PESN. No a

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Michael McKubre

http://media.podshow.com/media/1049/episodes/318736/pesn-318736-08-29-2012.mp3 Is a dead link. Moreover, the link you provided was in error syntactically: http://m.podshow.com/media/1049/episodes/318736/pesn-318736-08-29-2012.mp3Interview On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > >

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Michael McKubre

This link to the audio works: http://www.mevio.com/episode/318736/fen.120828 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > > http://m.podshow.com/media/1049/episodes/318736/pesn-318736-08-29-2012.mp3Interview> > > Listen > > On August 28, Sterling Allan conducted an interview with Michael

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Michael McKubre

There are no utopias." is to skirt responsibility for this artifact we call civilization. There is clearly a very serious disease of unknown etiology, of which the failure of scientific publication is merely a symptom. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:10 AM, James Bowery wrote: > This link

Re: [Vo]:ECAT Simulations With Third Order Temperature Dependency

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:50 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I guess my confidence in many of his statements is that they tend to be > confirmable by my model performance. If he were totally full of "***" then > why insist upon a COP that is reasonable, but low, when claiming a higher > value would

Re: [Vo]:Important claims are patented or published as quickly as possible

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:10 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote: > It is all the same effect aided by quantum level gravitational attraction > finishing the collapse. > > I am going to continue pounding that thought into everyone's collective > brains. > > Stewart > http://wp.me/p26aeb-4 > ChemE, I have a

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Michael McKubre

to about the funding and punished him. I don't know the details, I just know that the Stanford guys never got their wind tunnel time and the guy who gave me the budget figure begged me to do nothing more like that again because his job was on the line. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:34 AM, J

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Michael McKubre

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I am not being cynical. That's the way the world works. Almost all of it. > The only reason some corporations deviate from that pattern is because they > love money more than politics. > That's why I concluded, in 1992 when this all occurred

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Michael McKubre

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:02 PM, James Bowery wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> I am not being cynical. That's the way the world works. Almost all of it. >> The only reason some corporations deviate from that pattern is because they

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Michael McKubre

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > James Bowery wrote: > > >> That's why I concluded, in 1992 when this all occurred (on top of the >> problems with NASA basically thumbing their collective noses at the Launch >> Services Purchase Act

Re: [Vo]:Rossi said... Domestic certification problem?

Again, I call upon you who _do_ "know" what the reaction is to put forth the experiment that will demonstrate it is what they say it is and thereby discount the others who "know" what the reaction is. You know -- multiple competing hypotheses -- strong inference and all that. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Michael McKubre

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > James Bowery wrote: > > >> I doubt that an economic or structural panacea exists. >>> >> >> Of course not. >> >> However, to throw your hands up and say that no economic or structural >>

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

Has anyone tried to do any arithmetic here? I mean to even an order of magnitude? On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > Assuming no hidden power sources, the assumption is the work done > repeatedly lifting the magnets (and the rod at the side) will > eventually exceed the ene

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

ely. > > > > harry > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM, James Bowery wrote: > > Has anyone tried to do any arithmetic here? > > > > I mean to even an order of magnitude? > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Harry Veeder > wrote: &

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

atest version of a well known scam. > > > Mark Goldes > Co-founder, Chava Energy > CEO, Aesop Institute > 301A North Main Street > Sebastopol, CA 95472 > > www.chavaenergy.com > www.aesopinstitute.org > > 707 861-9070 > 707 497-3551 fax > _____

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

or practical use. They've apologized and removed the Bedini > stuff. (PESWiki; June 2, 2009) > > > Mark > > Mark Goldes > Co-founder, Chava Energy > CEO, Aesop Institute > 301A North Main Street > Sebastopol, CA 95472 > > www.chavaenergy.com > www.aesopinstit

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

nergy > CEO, Aesop Institute > 301A North Main Street > Sebastopol, CA 95472 > > www.chavaenergy.com > www.aesopinstitute.org > > 707 861-9070 > 707 497-3551 fax > > From: James Bowery [jabow...@gmail.com] > Sent:

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > Mark, I think that the site what James was citing is an obvious scam site. > > I did not cite the site. I cited the video at the site. Moreover PESN claims that video was not produced by the scam artists that run the site. The reason I f

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > For example, there is potential energy stored in a "permanent" magnet, in > the magnetisation. > This is one of the quantities that must be entered into the arithmetic I originally requested of the system cited in the original post.

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

being used up? > > Harry > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:41 PM, James Bowery wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > > wrote: > >> > >> For example, there is potential energy stored in a "permanent" magnet, in > >&g

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:25 PM, wrote: > In reply to Jouni Valkonen's message of Thu, 6 Sep 2012 19:05:33 +0300: > Hi, > >Stored energy in magnetic field for neodymium magnet is around 40-50 MGOe. > >As one MGOe is 7960 J / m³, this means that energy stored in 1 cm³ > >neodymium magnet is 360 mi

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

It went off the air for a coffee break at 4:30 Zurich time however it has not come back on the air yet at as of a few minutes into the next presentation. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Patrick Ellul wrote > > Rossi just joined and came into the picture, accompanied by two

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Looks like its back live now. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:04 AM, James Bowery wrote: > It went off the air for a coffee break at 4:30 Zurich time however it has > not come back on the air yet at as of a few minutes into the next > presentation. > > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:1

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

The takeaway message is that there is* a 4-month delivery for a heating system that has a lower levelized cost per thermal unit, including O&M, Fuel and 10 year straight line depreciation, than current natural gas price per thermal u

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

am along side the live video stream. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 1:01 PM, James Bowery wrote: > The takeaway message is that there is* a 4-month delivery for a heating > system <http://ecat.com/ecat-products/ecat-1-mw/ecat-1mw-technical-data> that > has a lower levelized cost per ther

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia E-Cat article for deletion

Part of the value of keeping an article from deletion is the history of edits doesn't disappear. A big part of my motivation in suggesting the use of Wikipedia as the basis for the Hutter Prize for Lossless Compression of Human Knowledge was the virulence of the editors of Wikipedia needs to be ob

Re: [Vo]:Hot-Cat fails test, Swedish investors withdraw, Rossi input power measurements dodgy?

To what faked results are you referring exactly? On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Robert Lynn wrote: > What I would run screaming from is someone who faked results with a > straight face (as we saw in one of the demos last year)... >

[Vo]:1MW Escrow Account?

The main reason I pay attention to Rossi, aside from the fact that cold fusion research was not suppressed in Italy to nearly the extent it was in the US and most of the rest of Europe, is my impression that the only source of money he had from the E-Cat was through the sale of the 1MW thermal plan

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion has been suppressed -- no evidence for a conspiracy

Unfortunately, Jed, the accusers of "conspiracy theorizing" may have a legal leg to stand on given this "plain language" instruction to the jurors in California civil cases regarding conspiracy

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion has been suppressed -- no evidence for a conspiracy

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > Yes you did say. You said that hot fusion researchers are trying to >> 'suppress' it and indeed hot fusion research is operating with extremely >> big money. >> > ... > I suppose plasma fusion funding is "big money.

Re: [Vo]:1MW Escrow Account?

en the deposit is refunded. On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 12:03 PM, James Bowery wrote: > The main reason I pay attention to Rossi, aside from the fact that cold > fusion research was not suppressed in Italy to nearly the extent it was in > the US and most of the rest of Europe, is my impression

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

As I previously reported here at vortex-l, Bob is claiming no coil is required. This video demonstrates it. I think it also places in serious doubt the ring electromagnet hypothesis posited by Sterling Allen. Ho

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

I now see the link to Wes's retraction on Sterling Allen's page. http://pesn.com/2012/08/24/9602167_Noble_Gas_Plasma_or_Aluminum_Ring_Electromagnet/#retraction On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:55 PM, James Bowery wrote: > As I previously reported here at vortex-l, Bob is claimi

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

ome with the > door open if they are tricky enough but i would advise against it. > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote: > >> As I previously reported here at vortex-l, Bob is claiming no coil is >> required. This video demonstrates it. I think it also

Re: [Vo]:1-Cylinder Papp -- Bob Rohner

ewart wrote: > Smart man. I get the impression Papp was much brighter than the Rohner > Bros. > > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote: > >> After carefully considering the consequences of your theories, I most >> certainly would never operate my m

Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Alan J Fletcher wrote: > >> >> I put a summary up on the wiki. I doubt that it will survive editing. >>> >> >> Deleted already. >> > Just out of curiosity, how long did it take them to delete this? They stay > on their toes! > 2 minutes: h

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