On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Horace Heffner
wrote:
It is notable that the power input varies depending on the
controller actions, that if the power input (plus any nuclear
output heat if any) should become less than that required to
nning the thing manually why is the controller box in
use and why does he make a point of stating it responds based on
temperature and pressure. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E
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lorimetry measurements on the output.
It is incredible that it could be expected that anyone would invest a
dime in this technology without even the most basic and inexpensive
science being applied to the most important aspect - calorimetry on
the output.
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;t think you've explicitly
denied it!!
Double :-)
-Mark
Thanks! I needed a good laugh. 8^)
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On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/6/25 Horace Heffner :
A tea pot has no means to overflow. Water is not continually
added. It is
also not designed like a percolator, with large confined boiling
compartment, and a narrow short chimney.
It does not require much
e! 8^)
When I read vortex I often have to wonder who is messing with whom! 8^)
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erAnom.pdf
http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FullGravimag.pdf
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On Aug 11, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Thanks for this post. I have bet 100 euros that there is no such thing
as dark matter, that has significant effect o
er or November
as promised. If not, this affair could set the prospects for serious
LENR research back another 20 years.
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On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
Hallo,
I stumbled upon in the internet a very s
Horace Heffner :
Krivit's recent article that discusses the calorimetry issues I
think is
right on point, or on seven points if you will.
Krivit is a crackpotter with his seven points. If Krivit is so stupid
that he cannot calculate the enthalpy but only to nearest order of
magnitude,
message was
routed to my vortex-l in mailbox.
As noted on my web site and posted here on occasion, "Please be
advised that the content of any correspondence to me, Horace Heffner,
is placed into public domain unless otherwise specified by prior
written agreement. I can be contacted at:
ially those having liquid water.
All this is food for thought ...
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On Aug 20, 2011, at 4:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
It is you who does not "get it". Investing in a free energy scheme
which supposedly produces "excess" or "free" heat is not sensible
without expert independent calorimetry being appl
puts HAARP about 7 orders of magnitude less.
Thanks for the correction.
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On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
If the results indeed were obtained and were positive and useful it
is strange that Defkalion did not pay up according to its contract.
Rossi said repeatedly that he will only be paid after he delivers
the 1 MW
On Aug 21, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Horace Heffner
wrote:
OK, maybe you are right about the precise phrase "did not pay",
though I
feel I have read that phrase in this regard somewhere.
I think the issue stems from this thr
say Rossi has done this. He may have a
legitimate nuclear device. However, this clearly demonstrates that
nothing has been proven unless calorimetry is performed on the output
which measures a full run enthalpy balance.
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uction
should result in more condensation in the hose. Much less
condensation happens in mode 1 than in modes 2 and 3. Therefore it
is reasonable that liquid water is being injected into the hose when
flowing water is used in the second two run modes."
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http
I just now wrote: "It is notable that 4 muffin fans were shown in the
E-cat."
This should have said: "It is notable that 4 muffin fans were shown
in the E-cat controller."
Sigh.
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On Aug 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Regarding the video, Rick does good work.
- Jed
Yes, indeed!
However, it appears he forgot to wear his lab coat! 8^)
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nalysis clearly demonstrates that nothing has
been proven unless calorimetry is performed on the output which
measures a full run enthalpy balance.
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.
How is it shown by Lewan's videos that water does not overflow from
the E-Cat?
I think Rossi's hose is much longer than Cantwell's so it gives off
more heat and holds more condensed water.
- Jed
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ch have
already been discussed.
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he difficulty
of getting it right. Sparging steam into a bucket, though far better
than other steam methods applied to date on Rossi's devices, and
publicly disclosed, has numerous serious drawbacks, which have
already been discussed.
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s
device.
I find all this very depressing. Billions of people are likely going
to be affected by timely development of the LENR field. If the Rossi
thing is a bust it could cost a major setback for LENR research
support, and millions of lives.
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On Aug 25, 2011, at 5:59 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
The correct thing to do is to do calorimetry on the output using a
well calibrated professionally designed calorimeter independent of
the device itself . . .
Defkalion claims they have done this.
Alarm bells
The best ratio of diameters OD/ID I can come up with for Rossi's hose
is 23/13, based on the attached png clip from Krivit's film of 14
June, 2011.
Anyone know what the actual dimension's of his hose are?
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<>
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st in
person, I would probably be 100% convinced. (I would also have
reported it in much more detail than Levi has done, but that's
another story.)
[snip]
- Jed
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the important issues.
All of us who have personally invested much in the field owe Jed much
thanks for the decades of continuous good work and advocacy.
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temperature of the
water during a run.
Just sparging steam into a bucket is a very inaccurate method.
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to benefit from this.»
–Michael A. Nelson, Nasa
I hope this is true. However, I expect NASA will be lucky to afford
office supplies when congress gets done with them.
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solidated comments on the validity of WL theory:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg38261.html
Larsen & Windom Patent - no test data?:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg42900.html
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in the LENR field knows well what "heat after death"
means. It was used much in discussions on sci.physics.fusion over 15
years go, and is still in use in the present literature.
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ided looks
far more feasible. See:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiThermal2.pdf
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l mankind. Rossi is not a young man. I
hope he considers how limited his time on earth is and makes the
right decisions.
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the inconsistent
assumptions might be ruled out.
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 8:58 AM
Subject: [Vo]:Corrections to "heat after death" calculations
On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Joe Catania wrote:
For the umpt
h
Rossi great success. Even the most minor technical success for
Rossi would be one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs ever, and
have great importance for all mankind. Rossi is not a young man. I
hope he considers how limited his time on earth is and makes the
right decisions.
, at 3:24 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:
In the "Corrections to "heat after death" calculations" I posted
values assuming a flow rate of 7 liters per hour:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RossiThermal.pdf
However, Mattia Rizzi made a sound argument for a flow rate of 3
s. At least some of the
inconsistent assumptions might be ruled out.
If you think I have arithmetic or analytical errors, calculation
errors, please point them out specifically.
- Original Message -----
From: Horace Heffner
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2
sibility
I have something wrong. It would be a good thing to find any such
errors and thus be able to perform an accurate analysis. You have to
at least look at the calculations to find any such errors though
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e
proposition as true.
The statement:
If x then y
is not the same as:
x is true.
It merely provides the opportunity to examine y to see if it is
feasibly true.
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y involved.
However, the flow rate used is that suggested by Mattia Rizzi, 3
liters per second, not 7 liters per second.
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ases water flow if the catalyst
temperature becomes too high.
Of course, this all assumes there really is nuclear heat present.
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On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:52 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/8/30 Horace Heffner :
Note especially in RossiThermal2.pdf, in Mode 2, that a mass of
between 5
and 10 kg, at initial Mass Temp. of 300*C, provides a 15 minute
thermal
decline curve with no nuclear energy involved.
Good thinking
actually see steam of course, only condensation. Too bad there is no
video of this event.
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s. However, this might imply too high a thermal resistance to
be feasible.
It would be interesting to run Jed's numbers, if there is a
reasonable thermal mass number available.
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On Aug 30, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
As far as I know, this is the only eCat that Levi et al. tested
in December, which is when the event occurred. The flow rate was
typically ~300 ml/min I believe.
Are you sure about that flow rate being present in
On Aug 30, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Man on Bridges wrote:
Hi,
On 31-8-2011 0:01, Horace Heffner wrote:
On Aug 30, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
If the only source of heat was electricity, two things are certain:
1. It could not be 12 kW in the first place. The wire would melt.
You
mplistic black box model.
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ve energy.
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e time consuming and less convincing than simply
providing good calorimetry.
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On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
Of course Rossi has "perfect control" operating in the range
chosen. All he has to do is provide enough sustained power to heat
the water flow to boiling temperature, call it Pb, or a enogh above
Sigh. I can't seem to get anything right the first time. Some typos
corrected below.
On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
Of course Rossi has "perfect control" operating in the range
chosen. All he has to do is provide enough sustaine
On Aug 31, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
The public demonstrations to date prove nothing because the methods
used are so flawed.
That is incorrect. As Rossi and I have pointed out many times, if
there were flaws in the steam test, the flowing water test
anomalous science in
general. It is a great place to hang out. You never know for sure
what you are going to see going on here when you get up in the morning.
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On Aug 31, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
The flowing water test was not public as far as I know. Where is
the report showing the data etc.?
The data is in NyTeknik and LENR-CANR.org.
If you do not trust Levi et al. to report the results of the flow
mp; Larsen, and
Chubb & Chubb.
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diligence before spending any
money on something like this with the expectation of fairly quick
profits.
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On Aug 31, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/1 Horace Heffner :
If you want to see wet steam as I have described it, as generated
by the
peroclator effect
Your description is wrong, because percolator effect does not produce
wet steam, but hot water and little dry steam
On Sep 1, 2011, at 6:17 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
All the opinions in the world can not change the fact that water
was probably coming out of the device in large mass proportions,
whither or not the device produced some nuclear heat.
Here is what all the opinions
heater located in
or around the steel reactor container? There are temperature sensors
in the device which allow the controller to individually apply
current to the resistance heating elements.
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meaningful data if a momentary heat excursion takes place.
I take it this kind of discussion is all academic now NASA is involved.
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On Sep 1, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 09:01 AM 9/1/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
This post is just to check my understanding of the supposed structure
of the Rossi device.
I think that this (speculative!) diagram best shows the location of
the heating resistors.
http
On Sep 1, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
This test shows your true colors. It indicates that you actually
expect the steam power to be on the order of 100 watts, not 10,000
watts or even 1,000 watts. If you put a wand issuing 10,000 watts
steam power into
se.
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There is a pretty good photo by Mats Lewan of the band heater and
reactor section here:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3166552.ece
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On Sep 1, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
I don't see your point. I used to do this test with a hose
producing 75 kW at Hydrodynamics Inc. It worked fine. The results
were close to the expected amount from that heater.
If that was a Griggs device I w
On Sep 1, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
Here is what all the opinions in the world cannot change: liquid
flow test proves that the machine is producing 12 to 16 kW of
excess heat. Period.
Again, where is the data for this test.
http://lenr-canr.org
On Sep 2, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Jed, there isn't something called cold fusion.
This has to be one of the very best newbie statements I have ever
seen on this list! It wouldn't have been so emotion evoking if it
hadn't been directed at Jed. 8^)))
Best r
book. Quantum transitions for dummies. I
expect it would not be possible to use the "for dummies" phrase
unless the right book deal were made.
In any case, it is neat to see the prose reach this level of
readability.
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On Sep 2, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 04:57 PM 9/1/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
The total power of resisters (in your drawing) at 300 W + 300 W = 600
W seems low. Rossi states in Krivit's film he is using 748 watts,
from which I did the following computations:
,
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ut ports on top of the white boxes.
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On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
I have attached a jpg of the inside of the controller box. Sure is
a rat's nest of wires.
Where did you get that? A screen capture from a video? A still image?
- Jed
Yes. I stopped the YouTube video and the
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On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
I have attached a jpg of the inside of the controller box. Sure is
a rat's nest of wires.
Where did you get that? A screen capture from a video? A still image?
- Jed
Yes. I stopped the YouTube video and the
On Sep 2, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 01:04 PM 9/2/2011, Horace Heffner wrote:
[snip]
Gee, if choppers are used this creates transients in the input,
and invalidates the use of ordinary current meters or power meters.
The current meters in the experiments were on the
lot of bologna and wished I could have made it to
Florida. 8^)
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On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
I have attached a jpg of the inside of the controller box. Sure is
a rat's nest of wires.
Where did you get that? A screen capture from a video? A still image?
- Jed
Yes. I stopped the YouTube video and the
correct because the current IEC 60446 standard is
neutral-blue, line-brown, and protective-earth-green/yellow.
There appears to be some kind of short white adapter between the wall
socket and the plug visible at time 41 seconds. Maybe that is just
part of the plug?
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On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 02.09.2011 22:04, schrieb Horace Heffner:
The above makes no sense to me. Resistor wattage ratings are
merely the maximum wattage that can be put though them without the
expectation they will be destroyed. The power ratings are not
On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:Am 03.09.2011 14:11, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98EThis should be correct because the current IEC 60446 standard is neutral-blue, line-brown, and protective
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Just free associating a bit.
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should have included the correction posted below too:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44845.html
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URLS below, or other material
in this thread.
----- Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner"
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor
I commented on possible use of nanopores earlier, and the
possible useful relationship
Might be tricky to prevent resonance from destroying
the magnetron. Also, would need a microwave window in the waveguide
that could handle the hydrogen pressure, if above an atmosphere. The
hard part of course is getting a good "catalyst".
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Box Saloon who had the idea
of stimulating cavitation with microwaves. I miss ole Dead-eye Dick
Macaulay. I wonder if he and Sparber get the internet where they are
now?
T
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Horace Heffner
wrote:
It would be a fun experiment to put hydrogen in a waveguide with a
tween the plates even while it
appears to get shorter from our perspective outside the cavity.
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On Sep 5, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Horace Heffner
wrote:
Of course it have to
be very small. 8)
Speaking of small motors:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14763223
T
This is cool. Too bad it requires energy to drive it
I wrote: "The activator could be planar, or cylindrical, or conical,
etc., with the stator shaped to mate surfaces."
Should have said: "The activator surface could be planar, or
cylindrical, or conical, etc., with the *rotor* (armature) shaped to
mate surfaces."
B
cy.
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I sent that last post by mistake. Fumble fingers. 8^)
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throughout the paper.
It may be a systematic typographical error, but it does not look like
it.
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orbitals compressed by trapping the element within C-60
cages.
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(2007)
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On Sep 6, 2011, at 7:51 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 05.09.2011 23:56, schrieb Horace Heffner:
Good question Peter,
A possible answer begins on page 7 of:
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CasimirGenerator.pdf
The lateral forces on capacitor plates is due to fringe fields.
The Casimir
On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:14 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 06.09.2011 21:18, schrieb Horace Heffner:
On Sep 6, 2011, at 8:33 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:
Am 06.09.2011 18:31, schrieb Peter Heckert:
BTW, this theory
http://www.esdjournal.com/techpapr/prevens/casimir/casimir.htm
could possibly
potential
c - piezo crystal material
Z - metal stator surface containing parallelogram grooves
M - smooth metal armature pendulum surface
p - flexible pendulum support rods
Fig. 1 - Cross section of LPMPPDS
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potential
c - piezo crystal material
Z - metal stator surface containing parallelogram grooves
M - smooth metal armature pendulum surface
p - flexible pendulum support rods
Fig. 1 - Cross section of LPMPPDS
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