In his paper, The Myth of the Photon, he states:
“… With this condition the Rydberg atom may be treated as a macroscopic
system - it is bigger than a protein molecule - and the inequalities for
such systems, deduced by Leggett and Garg(31) (also called temporal Bell
inequalities) should apply.”
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Berke Durak wrote:
> 500 keV -> mu rho = 1.614e-1 x 11.34 = 1.83 -> 17 cm
> 400 keV -> mu rho = 2.323e-1 x 11.34 = 2.63 -> 11.8 cm
> 300 keV -> mu rho = 4.031e-1 x 11.34 = 4.57 -> 6.80 cm
> 200 keV -> mu rho = 9.985e-1 x 11.34 = 11.32 -> 2.74 cm
> 100 keV ->
For stirling cooling using LENR you want the elegant Vuilleumer cycle -
basically slapping two stirling cycles together, one driven by heat and the
other using that work to cool, all without ever converting into shaft
output power, just 1 piston and 2 displacers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuille
CO2 turbomachinery is not scalable to less than perhaps a few hundred kW
due to the extremely high density of CO2 (100's of times air density), and
very expensive seals. In a distributed generation LENR world it will have
pretty limited applications; maybe aircraft, trucks, trains and ships, but
w
2011/12/2 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
> Just a couple of papers below that might be of interest to some Vorts…
>
> ** **
>
> Why couldn’t SPUC/SPDC be the mechanism channeling the excess energy into
> lower forms of energy (i.e, heat, phonons, lattice vibrations) in LENR?
> Instead of producing a
My dad and the kid next door (when doing his PhD) were the two founders of
Whispertech/Whispergen. My father was only involved for a short time, but
the kid next door still runs it and he is very aware of what is happening.
On 2 December 2011 07:47, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote:
> just a link to
the world is small,
good luck. clearly such a device with NiH CA-LENR reactor, priced a bit
more realisticaly (WhisperGen is priced around 15KEur 8-o , but maybe
expensive gas impose overdesign),
can catch the market.
2011/12/2 Robert Lynn
> My dad and the kid next door (when doing his PhD) were
On Dec 1, 2011, at 11:24 PM, Joshua Cude wrote:
So they say. It would be more credible if someone could imagine a
reaction that produces heat and no radiation.
It's called deflation fusion.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
According to Piantelli, his device produces loads of protons.
The 6-7 MeV protons observed can not provide most of the heat of
Rossi's E-cat. This is because they will generate high energy
bremsstrahlung, which is not observed
Thanks to Jouni for a great reference!
I don't see any reason CO2 turbomachinery in application with LENR
could not be sealed in a high pressure envelope involving no moving
seals. The transactions are heat in and out and electricity out.
The generator would have to be brushless, but that
I wrote: "That high energy protons have been detected at all,
however, I think is very useful, especially in the energy range
observed. They are a signature of the underlying process, just as
very very low counts of tritium are a signature of deuterium LENR,
and a ratio of neutrons to tr
No stirling is not cheap - yet, but it is mostly a matter of large volume
production. What Whispergen and their partner Spanish industrial giant
Mondragon have is a very reliable and well developed design that has been
tested over the last 10 years in large numbers and that can now run for
years a
Having looked into this in detail recently (I was thing the same thing) the
frictional losses on the surface of the generator rotor are just too high
compared to the magnetic fields that exist in the rotor air gap and you end
up wasting all of your efficiency gains on CO2 friction on the rotor. It
OK, it seems that the the total price should be lower than the sum, and
even than the gas version alone.
today 2 things (beside the scam hypothesis, p=0.001) can block development
of such solution.
- the first is the fear of radiation, in case of abnormal unpredictable
black swan event. (precautio
Nothing new, really. Looks like beating a dead horse.
2011/12/2 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
> Make your own assessment:
>
>
> http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-11-30/no-miracles-science-story-energy-catalyzer
>
> http://tinyurl.com/cj7szsx
>
> Comments?
>
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Jo
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
> Nothing new, really. Looks like beating a dead horse.
>
Rossi is a dead horse?
A little off-topic, but in case you've missed the news:
Americans can finally start EATING the dead horse...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/12/peta-horse-slaughter.html
> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:07:32 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:PESN links to Energy Bulletin, highly skeptical
The topics on that text were discussed too many times. It's boring already
:).
2011/12/2 Mary Yugo
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Daniel Rocha
> wrote:
> > Nothing new, really. Looks like beating a dead horse.
> >
> Rossi is a dead horse?
>
>
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
As I expected, I was wasting my time sending that message to Defkalion.
They responded and I wasted more time responding to them. Both messages are
below.
This will only alienate them more, and sour my relationship with them.
Still, I would not want the rest of the world to think that I countenanc
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> As I expected, I was wasting my time sending that message to Defkalion. They
> responded and I wasted more time responding to them. Both messages are
> below.
>
Good job.
Somewhat related: by breaking up their forum into endless silly
secti
Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
It is unprofessional.
> When you put it together with all the other things is telling something
> about Rossi 's conduct.
>
Everything about Rossi's conduct is a problem. Rossi's words and actions do
not merely "tell you" something. They shout out something. They screa
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
>
>> It is unprofessional.
>> When you put it together with all the other things is telling something
>> about Rossi 's conduct.
> If we are going to judge these events based on Rossi's personality and his
> quirky
readin things about H bottle safety, and H I've found something curious...
does someone have hear about the importance of spin isomers of hydrogen...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_isomers_of_hydrogen
just curiosity ...
maybe it is important for LENR, like it is for MASER... maybe it is the
ta
Jed,
Edison life seems very interesting. Thank you to take the time and explain
this. It makes me want to read his biography sometime.
I see several differences though. The main one is that Edison was playing
with new and cutting edge devices but all based on well known physics.
Maxwell equations w
At present I'm inclined to conclude that DGT stole Rossi's sauce. The
impression I get is that the BoD suspects that if they showed all the
evidence it would strongly indicate the fact that they reversed
engineered significant portions of Rossi's eCat design. I suspect that
is why Jed has gotten th
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/48019
This story could be related to Rossi/Defkalion, on several levels.
Not the least of which is the entanglement of IP, which could end up in
court.
However, if speculation is correct that the catalyst being used by both of
them is potassium, even if i
just to add that new variant of spin isomer, the nuclear isomer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_isomer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomeric_transition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conversion
it talk of surprising transition possibilities,
with high energy density, soft gamma or Xray
Another way that macro entanglement could be relevant to increasing the
yield of a new class of supra-chemical reactions - (like Rossi/Defkalion)
which has been known to be gainful since the Thermacore, Inc. experiments of
the early nineties (for DARPA)...there is this convoluted argument:
http://
Only the science of instrumentation should be bound by the "laws of physics".
Harry
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>> Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
>>
>>> It is unprofessional.
>>> When you put it together with all the othe
In don't agree.
from the point of view of CF experiments that Rossi was aware of, it is
real facts.
Rossi, like Edison try to use (neglected but established) science to try to
discover something useful for humankind (I think he have that ambition
since the beginning).
this lead him to try to make
WHY?
Why you guys are creating a make-believe story to justify Rossi's behavior?
According to some there is always an explanation for what he does. Can you
be my PR people too?
Please read the newspapers that covered his crimes. There is no space for
many other interpretations than fraud.
Something
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste
wrote:
> Then he try to play with existing thermoelectric generator technology, to
> make it better in lab, but fail the industrialization once again.
That's his excuse but it makes absolutely no sense. If he knew how to
make thermoelectric
Jones Beene discussed this as the possible energy source in the Moller
Atomic Hydrogen Generator by Naudin:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/aH-gen/message/133
It was again discussed in a thread called the Summer of eCat dated May
27th; but, I don't think the archives go back more than 6 months
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> Jones Beene discussed this as the possible energy source in the Moller
> Atomic Hydrogen Generator by Naudin:
Naudin builds pretty pieces of art and takes lovely photos of them. As far
as I know, many of the devices he builds are unlikely t
Naudin says in essence that cold fusion is child's play:
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/html/cfrmhmc.htm
Alain,
Significant energy is stored in nuclear isomers, not spin isomers.
Fortunately, or unfortunately, stable nuclear isomers are quite rare.
> just to add that new variant of spin isomer, the nuclear isomer
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_isomer
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomeric_t
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>> Jones Beene discussed this as the possible energy source in the Moller
>> Atomic Hydrogen Generator by Naudin:
>
> Naudin builds pretty pieces of art and takes lovely photos of them.
J
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> However, if speculation is correct that the catalyst being used by both of
> them is potassium, even if it is potassium which has been enriched in 40K,
> then I suspect that most patent attorneys will agree that Randell Mills is
> in a priorit
Hard to believe I was even wordier then than now :)
As we know now, there were uncorrected measurement errors by Naudin with
this device. Too bad, as many of us invested a fair amount of time on MAHG,
to no avail... and it probably was gainful... maybe in the range of the
Cajun gals.
-Origin
Mary Yugo wrote:
> > I think it is better to judge the issue based on the laws of physics,
> and by
> > similar research by Piantelli and others whose behavior and background is
> > impeccable.
> >
>
> That's fine too as long as what you mean is to judge the other research on
> its merits by all
Giovanni Santostasi wrote:
WHY?
> Why you guys are creating a make-believe story to justify Rossi's behavior?
>
I do not justify Rossi's behavior. I'm not even talking about Rossi's
behavior. I'm talking about the laws of physics -- thermodynamics to be
specific.
> But the disappointment I fe
Harry Veeder wrote:
Only the science of instrumentation should be bound by the "laws of physics".
Good point! Well said. Otherwise it would be impossible to test or
disprove the laws of physics, and progress in physics would stop.
This is an essential distinction.
- Jed
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
> As you know, I believe that Rossi's own tests constitute irrefutable
> evidence for his claims. I believe that when you bring 5 gallons of water
> to boil, insulate the pot and leave it for 4 hours it must cool down to
> room temperature. I
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer
The Wiki "Reliable Source" police have won. Brian
Josephson has been driven off, and I'm giving up.
Since the discussion on an article is removed after a month or so, I'm
putting up my "final straws" for the record.
The article is chock-a-block ful
Say Terry,
Since you followed that forum for a number of years, and since we discussed
at the time that the MAHG device could have been vastly improved had nickel,
rather than tungsten, been sputtered on the anode wall (at least under the
teachings of Mills' theory)... and given this was before we
This is an interesting problem. At thin film tolerances liquids or
even compressed air act like a lubricant. It may be worthwhile to
consider conical thin film CO2 bearings. The surface of an armature
can be made smooth and cylindrical or nearly cylindrical but slightly
conical, if nece
Mary Yugo wrote:
I suspect your view of Defkalion's authenticity is changing as we
speak. I'm sure that must be unpleasant.
Not a bit. I am stuck in a wait state. I have been for months. No change
in status.
I was not surprised when they uploaded mostly blather on November 30. A
little di
Am 02.12.2011 21:21, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
I believe that when you bring 5 gallons of water to boil, insulate the
pot and leave it for 4 hours it must cool down to room temperature.
This defys rules of physics.
And it defys rules of experience:
Berlin Blockade: To Save Energy, Meals were Cook
Hi All,
I posted the contents of a slide presentation by Dennis Bushnell that
he gave at at the LENR conference at Glenn Research Center, NASA.
All of the presentation was positive and stresses the need for
engineering to improve the LENR process.
My favorite quote from Dr. Bushnell is:
"In Short
Peter Heckert wrote:
>
> I believe that when you bring 5 gallons of water to boil, insulate the pot
>> and leave it for 4 hours it must cool down to room temperature.
>>
> This defys rules of physics.
> And it defys rules of experience:
>
> Berlin Blockade: To Save Energy, Meals were Cooked in a
I am surprised they did not erase the whole article.
They probably will, soon.
- Jed
ecat builder wrote:
Hi All,
I posted the contents of a slide presentation by Dennis Bushnell that
he gave at at the LENR conference at Glenn Research Center, NASA.
Thank you! But please start a new thread when you change the topic. Let
me change the title now, to bring this to people's attent
Am 02.12.2011 22:31, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
1. There is no such thing as perfect insulation.
Yes. Especially not, when the surface is 60-80° hot. This is so poor,
that I dont understand why did they isolate it at all. This reduces the
thermal losses by less than 50%.
2. The insulation around
On 2011-12-02 22:35, Jed Rothwell wrote:
http://www.ecatplanet.net/content.php?123-LENR-Presentation-by-Dennis-Bushnell-Chief-Scientist-NASA-Langley
This is very interesting, I wonder if there's the .pdf or .ppt
presentation around, or in other words the original source.
That must be from t
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
My favorite quote is "Comments on LENR Going Forward --Test/
determine the performance of the Rossi and Piantelli devices"
Lots of luck with that!
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> I am surprised they did not erase the whole article.
>
> They probably will, soon.
>
I don't think so. BTW, the talk page is hilarious. On and off, so
much unproven nonsense by proponents! They even had Sterling Allan's
lame web site as "of
Horace Heffner wrote:
For very small units a turbine could be avoided entirely, by using a free
> sliding linear motion armature, driven in a manner similar to old steam
> engine pistons. The armature would simply make or break one or two
> external magnetic circuits to generate power. It would
Am 02.12.2011 22:35, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
ecat builder wrote:
Hi All,
I posted the contents of a slide presentation by Dennis Bushnell that
he gave at at the LENR conference at Glenn Research Center, NASA.
Thank you! But please start a new thread when you change the topic.
Let me change the
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
>
>>> I believe, Bushnell is not an active chief scientist anymore but a
> former chief scientist.
> He is growing old and at NASA they gave him a jester's license.
> They did this with many other merited old scientists when they started to
>
Nothing interesting here folks, just more (sarcastic) repetition...
-Original Message-
From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR presentation by Dennis Bushnell
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> My favorite quote is "
Who has the full presentation?
Joshua Cude wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
>
>>
I believe, Bushnell is not an active chief scientist anymore but a
>> former chief scientist.
>> He is growing old and at NASA they gave him a jester's license.
>> They did this wi
I wrote:
> If it was a small battery that trickle charged the batteries, the electric
> car might run out of power in the middle of nowhere.
>
Obviously that could also happen if you leave the trickle charge battery at
home. My point is, if you had an onboard battery you might be less likely
to
At 02:05 PM 12/2/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
Yes. He had so many basic facts
wrong in his interview with ev-world, it should have been an
embarrassment to NASA. Like all the other fans of Widom & Larsen,
they love to point out how the theory avoids the Coulomb barrier (in an
exothermic reaction), an
Peter Heckert wrote:
> Yes. Especially not, when the surface is 60-80° hot. This is so poor, that
> I dont understand why did they isolate it at all.
1. Safety, to reduce the likelihood of people burning themselves.
2. To deliver more heat to the heat exchanger.
> 80% means about 20% effi
They don't even note that there might be something more interesting.
http://www.kachan.com/sites/default/files/Nuclear_Report_Datasheet.pdf
Indeed it did occur to me when Roarty spoke of it; but, Rossi reading
our MAHG posts on Yahoo might be a stretch.
Oh, but we did post a good bit about it on Vortex and he could have
picked up on it there.
Opportunities missed . . .
T
On Dec 2, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
For very small units a turbine could be avoided entirely, by using
a free sliding linear motion armature, driven in a manner similar
to old steam engine pistons. The armature would simply make or
break one or two ex
Am 02.12.2011 23:33, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>>
wrote:
Why didnt you write: "I believe in the Rossi device, because
observers have noticed the surface heated up and because of this
poor insulation it must cool down over 4 hours without power.
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
> At 02:05 PM 12/2/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
>
> Yes. He had so many basic facts wrong in his interview with ev-world, it
> should have been an embarrassment to NASA. Like all the other fans of Widom
> & Larsen, they love to point out how the
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> no skeptic would believe it no matter
> how good the results are, so why bother?
>
You keep saying that but it isn't true. Skeptics have different
thresholds but most agree that if Rossi had repeated Levi's experiment
with proper calibration
Peter Heckert wrote:
> Everybody knows that I believe there was definitive excess energy measured
> in the Essen Kullander demo and in other demos, because the water flow was
> too high to been heated to 100°.
> Also everybody knows that I suspect Rossi doing tricks with input energy
> and with
At 03:08 PM 12/2/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
The simple fact is that it takes
780 keV localized on a single atomic site to cause electron-capture by a
proton. WL try to explain how that might happen, but they don't admit
that you only have to concentrate about 100 keV into a single atomic site
to ge
Mary Yugo wrote:
> > no skeptic would believe it no matter
> > how good the results are, so why bother?
> >
>
> You keep saying that but it isn't true. Skeptics have
> different thresholds but most agree that if Rossi had repeated Levi's
> experiment with proper calibrations and controls, it wo
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
> At 03:08 PM 12/2/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
>
> The simple fact is that it takes 780 keV localized on a single atomic site
> to cause electron-capture by a proton. WL try to explain how that might
> happen, but they don't admit that you only
Am 03.12.2011 00:20, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>>
wrote:
Everybody knows that I believe there was definitive excess energy
measured in the Essen Kullander demo and in other demos, because
the water flow was too high to been heated to 100°.
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Peter Heckert wrote:
> This is why I stopped believing and now I think, that Rossi also did
> tricks for the Kullander & Essen demo.
> This means, I am aware, given the water flow, there must be more energy
> than was measured at the input.
> I dont believe anymore
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Others have told me (in other forums) they are certain there is trickery
> and no amount of heat would convince them of anything.
>
Other forums? That sounds like you just made it up. Can you refer us to
such statements in other forums? To s
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Perhaps your hypothesis is that he was unable to make heat in subsequent
> tests, so he decided to make fake demonstrations instead. This is ruled out.
> He has done several demonstrations which failed to produce any heat at all.
> If he had s
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Some skeptics have, and perhaps they mean it. Others have told me (in other
> forums) they are certain there is trickery and no amount of heat would
> convince them of anything.
>
Like Cude said.
> A few skeptics have claimed there might be
Hi,
some time ago I investigated the effects of ion wind in air.
Possibly you know this effect: A needle is charged to 5 kV or more and
this needle will blow a stream of charged air, that is rather strong.
I made experiments and blew the air into a water surface so see how
strong the flow is
Seriously,
http://www.livescience.com/17207-ufos-disrupting-search-god-particle.html
Physicists working at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a particle
accelerator at CERN Laboratory in Switzerland, are trying to slam
particles together hard enough to break them into never-before-seen
pieces, whic
That is the kind of observation that sometimes leads to great discoveries. It
may be some well known phenomenon, but it must not be just considered a problem.
Let's hope that they have stumbled upon something really exciting.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
To: vortex-l
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:45 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> Let's hope that they have stumbled upon something really exciting.
Yes, exactly what I am thinking! We build a multi-billion dollar ring
collider and discover, what, a dimensional portal? Magnetic
monopoles? Or something we never imagine
Mary Yugo wrote:
> Let's be more specific. There could be a thermal mass heat storage
> effect and there could be a chemical or change of stage/molten metal
> type of heat storage or there could be Raney nickel type of reaction.
>
No, there couldn't be. The reactor would be hot to touch before
Jed, I think that you misunderstand. The claims of heat storage during the
early October test are not referring to preheating, but merely containing all
of the heat supplied during the "warm up" phase. It does not require heating
before the test has begun, is there were no excess power.
I am not
The original PowerPoint presentation file is available at the same
link if you're a registered user of ecatplanet.net. We're starting to
add some original content for members.
Yes, the text is from the Sept. 22, 2011 GRC LENR conference. I have
one more powerpoint by Zawodny that I will post soon.
Robert Leguillon wrote:
Jed, I think that you misunderstand. The claims of heat storage during the
> early October test are not referring to preheating, but merely containing
> all of the heat supplied during the "warm up" phase. It does not require
> heating before the test has begun, is there w
On Dec 2, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
Seriously,
http://www.livescience.com/17207-ufos-disrupting-search-god-
particle.html
[snip]
Even more UFO events, and resulting beam dumps, happened at a point in
the beam just past objects called injector kicker magnets (MKIs),
suggestin
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> Also, people who know something about steam have no doubt that Rossi has
> 95% dry steam in all tests.
>
That's enough to disqualify them as experts.
> Skeptics here may imagine they have proposed believable hypotheses. They
> may even thi
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