Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-12-01 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
In france, and in europe too I suppose, the new European regulations have separated the electric production companies (EDF, Poweo, Direct energie...), from the network infrastructure(ErDF in france). to be connected on the grid, you have to pay. part of the bought electricity pay for the network.

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
My point was we need a reliable grid for a very long time and that any wholesale removal of grid load will destroy the companies that maintain the grid and generate the energy that 30,000,000 Australian connection points need virtually 24/7. Unless you limit those going off the grid to no more

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Horace Heffner
On Nov 30, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder wrote: Any thoughts how CF technology might affect city sewer services? This is already being tried, but CF technology should make it even more cost effective if excrement is processed close to its source rather than conveyed throu

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: First point: Without mains electricity there is no sewage or water supply > system. With-in days most high rise building would not be fit to inhabit as > the toilets would no longer flush and there would be no running water. Well of course. We all know that. What is your

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
First point: Without mains electricity there is no sewage or water supply system. With-in days most high rise building would not be fit to inhabit as the toilets would no longer flush and there would be no running water. Once the water / gas storage tanks were empty, there would be no more runn

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder wrote: Any thoughts how CF technology might affect city sewer services? > This is already being tried, but CF technology should make it even > more cost effective if excrement is processed close to its source rather than conveyed through a vast system of underground pipes to a > cen

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Any thoughts how CF technology might affect city sewer services? This is already being tried, but CF technology should make it even more cost effective if excrement is processed close to its source rather than conveyed through a vast system of underground pipes to a central processing facility. The

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: The biggest problem this caused was the pension funds for retired workers. > Congress passed a law funding them, in a one-time adjustment. > I meant the pensions being paid out to people already retired in 1932. Not the funds then being put aside by workers still employed. This is the "

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: As one who works in this field, the transition will not be easy or nice. > Large amounts of pain will occur if the grid fails to deliver reliable > electricity. This is not buggy whips or telephone exchanges. I think a better comparison in the U.S. would be to the railro

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Yes. Totally stand alone. While Rossi will not guarantee the Ac kW output, > which is as it should be, he has basically agreed to the idea of the test > setup. See you were wrong when you questioned my ability to do a test and > not get sc

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
As one who works in this field, the transition will not be easy or nice. Large amounts of pain will occur if the grid fails to deliver reliable electricity. This is not buggy whips or telephone exchanges. Cause the grid to fail and we lose the ability to make things, process things, deliver thi

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Yes. Totally stand alone. While Rossi will not guarantee the Ac kW output, which is as it should be, he has basically agreed to the idea of the test setup. See you were wrong when you questioned my ability to do a test and not get scammed. AG On 12/1/2011 10:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Wed

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Horace Heffner
On Nov 30, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: All the LENR component suppliers need reliable electricity to produce their components as do their supplier and their suppliers, etc as well as the employes and their suppliers need reliable electricity. If the grid becomes unreliable, w

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Mary Yugo
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > You have understood our situation very well. We are working toward a > preliminary demo for our chairman, state gov energy dept rep, client rep > and myself (all engineers). After that we will sign a contract and fund the > escrow account.

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > You have understood our situation very well. We are working toward a > preliminary demo for our chairman, state gov energy dept rep, client rep and > myself (all engineers). After that we will sign a contract and fund the > escrow account.

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
You have understood our situation very well. We are working toward a preliminary demo for our chairman, state gov energy dept rep, client rep and myself (all engineers). After that we will sign a contract and fund the escrow account. Our acceptance test requires the E-Cat to run in closed loop

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > We use a private email address. I guess Rossi sees value in our business > model and what we are offering him. He also knows who I am and the company I > represent. So, why would they not wish the world to know who they are? After all,

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
We use a private email address. I guess Rossi sees value in our business model and what we are offering him. He also knows who I am and the company I represent. AG On 12/1/2011 10:19 AM, Charles Hope wrote: On Nov 30, 2011, at 0:22, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: We exchange emails several tim

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Charles Hope
On Nov 30, 2011, at 0:22, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > We exchange emails several times a day. It doesn't concern you at all that this brilliant engineer is taking hours each day to answer what must be hundreds of such emails? Maybe he should hire an assistant to work the front of the house?

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
All the LENR component suppliers need reliable electricity to produce their components as do their supplier and their suppliers, etc as well as the employes and their suppliers need reliable electricity. If the grid becomes unreliable, we may lose the ability to make more LENR devices and then

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
You need to think of who uses the power. Generally industry uses 50% and domestic / commercial uses the other 50%. The money is with industry. If 25% installed early phase CF generators, the commercial and domestic users would be left with a grid that is falling apart as there is not enough inc

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I do not think that a first-generation Rossi device would be cost > effective for this purpose [electricity generation]. > If not, it will not be much more useful than a heat pump. > Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > > >> 2) COP 6, feeding 167

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > > A 15% shift off grid would reduce the grid owners income enough to stop > grid maintenance and then the 85% on grid would have no power. I do agree > that with LENR home reactors we may not need the grid but moving from where > we are today to that situation will be ve

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Jed I agree with you. What I modeled was based on current best available data. There is a massive problem with elimination of the grid as it is not possible to switch everyone off the grid an once. A 15% shift off grid would reduce the grid owners income enough to stop grid maintenance and then

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wonder what a 250 kW steam turbine and generator would cost? These guys have a nice economy calculator: http://www.capstoneturbine.com/apps/EconCalc/EconCalc2.asp?t=RF T

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: About $40,000 plus installation for diesel. Complete. Even includes a fuel tank. http://www.affordablegenerator.com/250_kW_60Hz_Generator_with_Cummins_Engine_p/250kw%20cummins.htm Wow! That is cheap. I had no idea they were so cheap. I wonder what a 250 kW steam turbin

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > >> >> > I do not know what the cost of a 250 kW generator is. >> >> About $40,000 plus installation for diesel. > > Do you mean just the generator portion? Minus the diesel engine? > Of course they do not usually sell j

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > > > I do not know what the cost of a 250 kW generator is. > > About $40,000 plus installation for diesel. > Do you mean just the generator portion? Minus the diesel engine? Of course they do not usually sell just the generator portion alone, but perhaps you mean a replace

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I do not know what the cost of a 250 kW generator is. About $40,000 plus installation for diesel. T

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Since the subject of electric power generation and power companies has come up, let me get back to this analysis. I quibble with it, for the reasons I just mentioned in chapter 14 of my book. My conclusion is that if you are going to set up a cold fusion reactor to generate power to be resold to a

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-30 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
this kind of cost analysis is on the good path. however the price are not yet stable. already rossi say's thate the cost of thermal W is reduced from 2k$ to 500$, and to be honnest like software or drugs, the cost is research, not building. thus it can get down with volume. Rossi talk about 100$/K

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > Rossi has not yet released the technical specs for the 1 MW thermal oil / > fluid plant. It is still under R&D as he says. But he works fast and I > expect this to happen soon. When he does so we can rapidly move forward as > from the outl

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
Rossi has not yet released the technical specs for the 1 MW thermal oil / fluid plant. It is still under R&D as he says. But he works fast and I expect this to happen soon. When he does so we can rapidly move forward as from the outlet fluid temperature spec, we can determine the max steam temp

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > I'm not buying Rossi. I'm buying a piece of hardware with specifications > that define how it should work. Hardware does not lie. Humans do lie and I > accept that happens. Are you asking me to believe you have never lied? IMHO > Rossi has

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I'm not buying Rossi. I'm buying a piece of hardware with specifications that define how it should work. Hardware does not lie. Humans do lie and I accept that happens. Are you asking me to believe you have never lied? IMHO Rossi has never lie to or mislead me. We exchange emails several times

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > As a potential customer it is not my concern as it has no effect on the > ROI or LCOE of any plant and / or equipment he may supply to us. > Apparently you're also not too concerned that Rossi may be a liar.

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
As a potential customer it is not my concern as it has no effect on the ROI or LCOE of any plant and / or equipment he may supply to us. AG On 11/30/2011 3:17 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: Talking about money, didn't Rossi say that a big chunk of the money he is going to make will go to child

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Talking about money, didn't Rossi say that a big chunk of the money he is going to make will go to children with cancer? What happened to that? G On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > I'm working from currently published figures. $2 million for a 1 MW > thermal plant and $500

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
I'm working from currently published figures. $2 million for a 1 MW thermal plant and $500 k for the hot fluid to steam generator to steam turbine to Ac generator plus control systems, valves, pumps, waste heat radiators, etc. My projection is based on what I believe may be achievable in the n

Re: [Vo]:As a guide

2011-11-29 Thread Mary Yugo
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > > 4) Total plant cost (thermal and electrical) of $2,500,000 for a 1 MW > thermal plant that produces 183 Ac kW after internal usage / losses > Playing the game for a moment, why does the thing have to cost $2.5M? Does it really look to