RE: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor

2011-09-03 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Joe Catania [mailto:zrosumg...@aol.com] wrote: > I'm not sanguine on any of the theories popularized > so far like Widom-Larsen, Rossi's theories, Piantelli's, > BEC, etc. They've all been discredited. 'Discredited' how??? Please don't say, "Because they contradict current theories"... Are there

RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Thanks T! So, has anyone checked to see if Defkalion has filed an application with the appropriate agency on Cypress??? Probably not... at least not yet! Susan, This is a perfectly clear example of why it's just too soon to be making any kind of decision, one way or the other, about the E-Cat.

RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Another possible reason for this 'news' about Defkalion is the following: The people behind Defkalion never had the money (personally) to do all they claimed they would do when they signed the agreement with Rossi, however, they felt they could easily get enough investors interested, so they set u

Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > Didn’t they change the location to Cypress?  Or was that just rumor?  I tend > to gloss over the non-technical details. Defkalion Green Technologies is actually a Cypress based company . . . not Greek. T

RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Didn’t they change the location to Cypress? Or was that just rumor? I tend to gloss over the non-technical details. -mark From: Charles Hope [mailto:lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 1:42 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defka

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:31 PM, Joe Catania wrote: I'm not sanguine on any of the theories pppularized so far like Widom-Larsen, Rossi's theories, Piantelli's, BEC, etc. They've all been discredited. Ultracold neutrons simply don't work. The effective mass explanation does not wash. Other of W

Re: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit

2011-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Krivit > often see evidence of foul play or a conspiracy where there is nothing to be > concerned about, or no issue at all, such as the time he misunderstood > scientific notation. Those isotope analyses cost someone a pretty penny. Sure ma

Re: [Vo]:OT: Rescuing a lost quark (our vacation report)

2011-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:27 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > Terry sez: > >> How 'bout a Charm(ing) piccy? > > As you wish. > > If this doesn't go thru I'll compress it some more. It's currently 35 kb. Oh, that is so cool. Can you attach the full size image as a file? Or just dir

Re: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit

2011-09-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > > I understand Levi's point of view. I don't agree with him completely, > > but I get it. It is absurd for Krivit to suggest there is something > > unethical or unusual about discussing the data with reporters even > > though it is not suitable for a

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor

2011-09-03 Thread Joe Catania
I'm not sanguine on any of the theories pppularized so far like Widom-Larsen, Rossi's theories, Piantelli's, BEC, etc. They've all been discredited. Ultracold neutrons simply don't work. The effective mass explanation does not wash. Other of W-L papers are simply not believeable. If you read th

RE: [Vo]:OT: Rescuing a lost quark (our vacation report)

2011-09-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: > How 'bout a Charm(ing) piccy? As you wish. If this doesn't go thru I'll compress it some more. It's currently 35 kb. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks <>

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
I commented on possible use of nanopores earlier, and the possible useful relationship to my theory: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44662.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44676.html http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44683.html I sho

RE: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit

2011-09-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez: ... > I understand Levi's point of view. I don't agree with him completely, > but I get it. It is absurd for Krivit to suggest there is something > unethical or unusual about discussing the data with reporters even > though it is not suitable for a formal paper. ...unless one tends to b

Re: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit

2011-09-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > > > The last 20 seconds of part 4 of the interview were amazing! :D > > Yes, it would appear that Rossi changed his mind. ;-) Very mercurial of > him. > In the last 20 seconds he says Krivit did a very good job. I agree that he did, in the interviews.

Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Charles Hope
If I understand the translation, this means that Defkalion never requested permission to build a plant where it was thought they would. How does this reflect poorly upon Rossi? Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:56, Susan Gipp wrote: > Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is

RE: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit

2011-09-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Daniel > The last 20 seconds of part 4 of the interview were amazing! :D Yes, it would appear that Rossi changed his mind. ;-) Very mercurial of him. As previously speculated, it seems to me that putting a cynic (Krivit) and a showman (Rossi) in the same interview room is like trying to m

Re: [Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit

2011-09-03 Thread Daniel Rocha
The last 20 seconds of part 4 of the interview were amazing! :D

[Vo]:New June video interviews by Krivit

2011-09-03 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, Here are new video interviews by Steven Krivit made on June during his visit in Bologna: June 15, 2011 Video interview of Andrea Rossi Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II3NxxyxQ0I Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xe6YoZVupE Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiQe

Re: [Vo]:OT: Rescuing a lost quark (our vacation report)

2011-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
You can get a t-shirt online. How 'bout a Charm(ing) piccy? T

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 3, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: A quick perusal of Jed's site shows no one seems to have tested Ni/H stimulation in the sub-megaHertz range. Indeed, I didn't see anything showing attempts at RF stimulation. Goodness knows that the wavelength of phonons can certainly exist in

RE: [Vo]:OT: Rescuing a lost quark (our vacation report)

2011-09-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: > Hey, surely you took the ET Highway to Rachel and bought a T-Shirt! > > http://littlealeinn.com/ Unfortunately, we never made it to Rachel. While driving through Nevada we stuck to Interstate 80 and then headed North on U.S. hiway 93, at Wells. Beautiful drive. It was great having a

RE: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor

2011-09-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: > A quick perusal of Jed's site shows no one seems to have tested Ni/H > stimulation in the sub-megaHertz range. Indeed, I didn't see anything > showing attempts at RF stimulation. Goodness knows that the > wavelength of phonons can certainly exist in this range. > > Hey, ecat builde

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Alan Fletcher
- Original Message - > On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: > My point was that the drawing posted showed two 300 W resistors. > Rossi put 1200 W through his device in at least one test, AND his > controllers output 220 V max. This indicates he has a device with > multiple band

Re: [Vo]:OT: Rescuing a lost quark (our vacation report)

2011-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
Hey, surely you took the ET Highway to Rachel and bought a T-Shirt! http://littlealeinn.com/ T

Re: [Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor

2011-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
A quick perusal of Jed's site shows no one seems to have tested Ni/H stimulation in the sub-megaHertz range. Indeed, I didn't see anything showing attempts at RF stimulation. Goodness knows that the wavelength of phonons can certainly exist in this range. Hey, ecat builder, you wouldn't happen t

Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > It's anonymous that never forgets or forgives :). But the anonymous did not > get bothered with this issue, so, people, or the internet, may forget... > Remember, remember, the 5th of November The Gunpowder Treason and plot ; I know of no rea

RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Susan: > Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built > over a pile of lies. How long Rossi will last with this joke ? In the midst of conflicting reports: People always see what they want to see. They subsequently promote what they want to believe to the rest of the world.

Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Daniel Rocha
It's anonymous that never forgets or forgives :). But the anonymous did not get bothered with this issue, so, people, or the internet, may forget...

Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Susan Gipp wrote: > Very hard to guess. My very very personal opinion is that he really believed > in his discovery. At some time he realized he was wrong and now is trapped > in a huge amount of claims. To sustain these clamis he's forced to add even > more and mo

[Vo]:The Rossi Radiowave Reactor

2011-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
When is a PLC not a PLC? Horace, et al have mentioned the noise generated by the control box. Originally, we thought AR's mention of a PLC meant "programmable logic controller" which made no sense since (holy homonym, batman!) there was no feedback loop. Now that we find that Red really meant "pr

Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Susan Gipp
Very hard to guess. My very very personal opinion is that he really believed in his discovery. At some time he realized he was wrong and now is trapped in a huge amount of claims. To sustain these clamis he's forced to add even more and more. This pile is gonna to collapse pretty soon. Maybe his ho

Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Susan Gipp wrote: > Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies > How long Rossi will last with this joke ? Assuming this is a scam, what do you suppose is AR's exit strategy? T

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 3, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: [snip] Thanks for all the good information. There has also been some confusion about the voltage. Sometimes they say 220V and sometimes 230V. This is easily explained: In earlier times some countries in europe used 220V and some used 240V.

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.09.2011 15:23, schrieb Horace Heffner: On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 03.09.2011 14:11, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E This should be correct because the current IEC 60446 standard is neutral-blue, line-brown, and protective-e

Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Susan Gipp
Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies How long Rossi will last with this joke ? 2011/9/3 Jed Rothwell > See: > > > http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/9154-xynidis-kontos-aitisi-ergostasio-syntixi-defkalion-.html > > > A translation sent to me by someo

[Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing

2011-09-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/9154-xynidis-kontos-aitisi-ergostasio-syntixi-defkalion-.html A translation sent to me by someone (maybe done by Google): No applications for plant in Xanthi "With new negative letters answered, as expected, the question submitted by the MP [me

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 3, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Peter Heckert wrote:Am 03.09.2011 14:11, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98EThis should be correct because the current IEC 60446 standard is neutral-blue, line-brown, and protective-eart

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.09.2011 14:48, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistor I have had lots of experience burning out resistors. 8^) I too. Electronics once was my hobby, and still is my day job ;-) Because I repair, test and develop I have seen burned devices of all kinds ;-) Anoth

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 3, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 02.09.2011 22:04, schrieb Horace Heffner: The above makes no sense to me. Resistor wattage ratings are merely the maximum wattage that can be put though them without the expectation they will be destroyed. The power ratings are not used

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 03.09.2011 14:11, schrieb Horace Heffner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E This should be correct because the current IEC 60446 standard is neutral-blue, line-brown, and protective-earth-green/yellow. There appears to be some kind of short white adapter between the wall socket

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: "It is also notable that if the neutral and ground are shorted together in the blue box, and the ammeter is clamped on the neutral, that input power estimates could be double that estimated." That should read: "It is also notable that if the neutral and ground are shorted together

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 2, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: I have attached a jpg of the inside of the controller box. Sure is a rat's nest of wires. Where did you get that? A screen capture from a video? A still image? - Jed Yes. I stopped the YouTube video and then did a

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-03 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 02.09.2011 22:04, schrieb Horace Heffner: The above makes no sense to me. Resistor wattage ratings are merely the maximum wattage that can be put though them without the expectation they will be destroyed. The power ratings are not used to compute the power or current through them. If you