Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

Thanks, Abd, for being so forthright with Jed about his inability to integrate all the bad news about the Rossi debacle -- I'm interested to see how the remaining publicly committed believers are attempting to tough it out together, defiantly clinging to every tattered shred of argument -- being si

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: a new essay re the E-cat and its inventor

Thank you dear Abd! Please let me know news about Birtukan Simone, how is she learning? Is she reading books? That is the problem with my grandchildren who had been playing with the PC from the age of 3 and prefer images and PC games to reading a good book. Peter. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:21 PM,

RE: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

>From Abd: > This should be made clear: that kind of phenomenon doesn't > mean that the effect is not real. It means that the conditions > are poorly understood or not controllable. ... > But the unreliability is fatal to commercial application. Rossi > may have seen some truly spect

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > I came to a conclusion of fraud, defined as wilful > deception, after seeing a lot of evidence for it, which I was always > explaining away, as did others. If I thought there could be the slightest possibility that Rossi and Defkalion

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

At 04:12 PM 8/3/2011, vorl bek wrote: > > > On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > > > I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. Rossi is probably certain that his device will produce miraculous amounts of power, but he needs to get just a few small engineering details right before it

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

At 04:01 PM 8/3/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. He may be finding some excess heat, but his demonstrations and comments amount to fraud anyway. Exaggerating his results is a form of fraud, and that kind

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

“Ps. However, I will condemn Mills crack pot theory as false, because he is explaining cold fusion effect by dark matter. This is very feeble argument, because there is no such thing as dark matter or at least, we do not have any evidence that supports that hypothesis! http://pubs.rsc.org/en/

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

At 05:57 PM 8/3/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: 2011/8/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax : > I've done a great deal of research on this topic. Problem is that mere research is not enough, because you need to be able to do your own conclusions from data and that includes reading other people's mind from between

Re: [Vo]:Millennium Falcon or Odd Sea Floor Formation

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The shape was found at the bottom of the Gulf of Bothnia during a search for a sunken wreck which contained several cases of champagne. Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through to get a few cases of champagne. Did you see they are selling some bottle for

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

Let me summarize: If your best argument against this data is the assertion that Lewan and I are incapable of transcribing numbers correctly, or that Levi and the others did not bother to check the published report in NyTekNik to be sure the numbers are right, you have lost this debate. Please sto

Re: [Vo]:Millennium Falcon or Odd Sea Floor Formation

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through to get a few cases of > champagne. They sought cognac also. T

Re: [Vo]:Millennium Falcon or Odd Sea Floor Formation

Interesting note in the article: The shape was found at the bottom of the Gulf of Bothnia during a search for a sunken wreck which contained several cases of champagne. Seems like an awful lot of trouble to go through to get a few cases of champagne. On 11-08-03 06:12 PM, mix...@bigpond

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Boiler test reports are a set of variables found by long experience to > indicate the operating health of a boiler. There is no way to compare this > report with a boiler test. Except that the data recorded in a boiler test is EXACTLY what you see here, for crying out

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

I wrote: > Oh please. Levi's by-line is in the NyTekNik article. Take it or leave it. > Cut the legalese. > I mean to say it is not his by-line; it is by Lewan, but it is ridiculous to doubt it. Levi would have objected if he had been misquoted. This legalistic speculation that the data in NyTe

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

At 02:10 PM 8/3/2011, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm has a lot of entries. It might help to be more specific as to which installment is most relevant to the point you are making. Is it the 18-hour demonstration? In context, it would be. Much of that is int

Re: [Vo]:Millennium Falcon or Odd Sea Floor Formation

In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:06:24 -0400: Hi, [snip] >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2021174/Have-scientists-crashed-flying-saucer-seabed.html#ixzz1Torn51mJ > There is one obvious natural phenomenon that is circular - a volcanic crater - also not unknow

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > The data provided can be found here: >> >> http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm >> > > Who wrote that? Whose testimony is it? I wrote it! Who do you think? I talked to the people there and I wrote it. If you don't like my version read Levi

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011/8/4 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax : > I've done a great deal of research on this topic. Problem is that mere research is not enough, because you need to be able to do your own conclusions from data and that includes reading other people's mind from between the lines. This is very difficult, because we

[Vo]:Rossi keeps inviting

Peter Ekstrom will join the October's party? Greven Grevesson August 2nd, 2011 at 4:32 PM Dear mr. Rossi As many others I want October to approach faster as this is very exciting! I have a small request for you, and I have seen the same request before: could you please consider to invite Peter E

[Vo]:Swedish man caught trying to split atoms at home

Swedish man caught trying to split atoms at home http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/08/03/international/i08D22.DTL#ixzz1U05lkxzV A Swedish man who was arrested after trying to split atoms in his kitchen said Wednesday he was only doing it as a hobby. Richard Handl told The

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

At 01:47 PM 8/3/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: The data provided can be found here: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm Who wrote that? Whose testimony is it? This data is similar to what you find on a boiler test form, filled in by an inspector. The inspector signs the

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

I wrote: > Why are Rossi and Levi hiding the notebook-files? > > > The make and model of the flowmeter. I asked them several times and they > ignored me. > I thought that said "WHAT are Rossi and Levi hiding . . ." The answer is: they are hiding the type of flowmeter. As to WHY they are "hiding

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

At 01:34 PM 8/3/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Abd ul-Rahman, you are free to express your opinion, but it is just speculation. There is absolutely nothing in your criticism that has any factual content. Question is how much money you are willing to bet for your opinion? I will challenge you for 40

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

I was thinking about a thick hose, anyway :)

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

Yeah, I saw that later and acknowledged that in the other thread about 18 hour test. Answer me there :)

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

At 12:00 PM 8/3/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: I don't see any problem with 130KW, given it was just a spike in power with a base at 18KW, which is measured by the amount of steam poured. That means a 7 time increase in speed of the steam for some seconds. It probably blew as strong as a vacuum clea

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

At 11:58 AM 8/3/2011, Charles Hope wrote: At 11:58 AM 8/3/2011, you wrote: Consider how futile it should be to make a prediction six months out, as Rossi did regarding October, if reliability was still being addressed the entire time. That does not smell right. One can only predict confidently

[Vo]:Re: CMNS: a new essay re the E-cat and its inventor

At 11:46 AM 8/3/2011, Peter Gluck wrote: My dear friends, Recently I have not contributed to the discussions here. However my opinion is here: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/08/impossible-intelligence-test-and

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

Angela Kemmler wrote: > A source close to the test gave Jed Rothwell the following figures. > > How would you call that? Don’t be upset, but I would call that: „an > unpublished report of data of an anonymous source on a private webpage“. > Don’t you agree? Call it anything you like. The data

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

> > > On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > > > I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. Rossi is probably certain that his device will produce miraculous amounts of power, but he needs to get just a few small engineering details right before it does, and he is sure he can do it by O

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. He may be finding some excess heat, but his demonstrations and comments amount to fraud anyway. Exaggerating his results is a form of fraud, and that kind of fraud has happened before. Come to think of it

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

> > > > The data provided can be found here: > > http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm > > This data is similar to what you find on a boiler test form, filled in by > an > inspector. Dear Jed! Following your link I read: A source close to the test gave Jed Rothwell the following figures. How would

[Vo]:Boiler test forms

Here are some boiler test forms, and information about them: http://www.peci.org/ftguide/ftg/SystemModules/Boilers/Functional_Testing_for_Boilers.htm This is worth reading. It will make you respect HVAC engineers. As I said, there are many tests other than calorimetry, for things like actuator

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

It does strike me as just a tad obsessive to meticulously focus on Rossi's Chiwawa and Shetland Pony demonstrations, which were nothing more than trade shows - and then treat them as if they were valid scientific experiments. No wonder skeptics have found fault with them. Certainly, we would all l

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm has a lot of entries. It might help to be more specific as to which installment is most relevant to the point you are making. Is it the 18-hour demonstration? Yup. Let me put a link to it: http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm#Rossi1

Re: [Vo]:Dr Peter Glucks comment on Rossi is Refreshing

Thsnks Ron, and please call me Peter. Peter On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Ron Kita wrote: > Greetings Vortex-L > > I found Dr Glucks comment on the Rossi cell as well as his comments > on communism ..."refreshing". > > I think that there are many of us out there who are very patiently > await

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011/8/3 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson : > Considering Jouni's recent challenge: > >> ...I will challenge you for 40 euros that Rossi does >> not do a fraud. If E-Cat is true, you pay 40 euros to charity, >> and if not I pay 40 euros for charity. > > Perhaps Charles and Hope should set a realistic

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

>From Jed: >> What test? What exactly was done, what data was generated? > > The data provided can be found here: > http://lenr-canr.org/News.htm Jed, I realize it is probably redundant of me to express the following but could you point readers to the specific article(s) you believe make your poi

Re: [Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

Oh! So the 18 hour test did not involve phase change, no steam! This is surely amusing since one can hardly falsify that so easily with people that are used to the usual tiny LENR effects. HAHA! This is certaily AMAZING! So, if this is a scam, well, it is a HUGE ONE. Now, Rossi really did convinc

[Vo]:Biological Transmutation from Cs137 to Ba138

I found a very interesting news on the Japanese newspaper. http://translate.google.co.jp/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.minpo.jp%2Fview.php%3FpageId%3D4107%26blockId%3D9873865%26newsMode%3Darticle Dr. Kazue Tazaki supposes radioactive cesium w

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

Considering Jouni's recent challenge: > ...I will challenge you for 40 euros that Rossi does > not do a fraud. If E-Cat is true, you pay 40 euros to charity, > and if not I pay 40 euros for charity. This strikes me as a civilized bet, one that could be formalized between two reasonable individual

[Vo]:18-hour test is no less detailed than a boiler test report

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > I do not think that any of the arguments against Rossi have merit, >> especially not the ones that attempt to disprove the 18-hour flowing water >> test. >> > > What test? What exactly was done, what data was generated? > The data provided can be found here: http:/

[Vo]:Dr Peter Glucks comment on Rossi is Refreshing

Greetings Vortex-L I found Dr Glucks comment on the Rossi cell as well as his comments on communism ..."refreshing". I think that there are many of us out there who are very patiently awaiting October .. for the Truth. My comment: One does not try.. ..One either does or does not" Yoda. Resp

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

2011/8/3 Charles Hope : > Consider how futile it should be to make a prediction six months out, > as Rossi did regarding October, if reliability was still being addressed > the entire time. That does not smell right. One can only predict confidently > about well controlled processes. Why arbitraril

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

At 10:01 AM 8/1/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Something that has not been clarified here is that the flow rate is rather slow; 120 ml/min. Before the water boils, when the liquid overflows, It would take a long time to fill up the hose. There would be a lot of water in there. Once it starts boilin

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

I don't see any problem with 130KW, given it was just a spike in power with a base at 18KW, which is measured by the amount of steam poured. That means a 7 time increase in speed of the steam for some seconds. It probably blew as strong as a vacuum cleaner.

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

At 08:49 AM 7/30/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Damon Craig <decra...@gmail.com> wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed o

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

At 10:01 AM 8/1/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Something that has not been clarified here is that the flow rate is rather slow; 120 ml/min. Before the water boils, when the liquid overflows, It would take a long time to fill up the hose. There would be a lot of water in there. Once it starts boiling

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

Consider how futile it should be to make a prediction six months out, as Rossi did regarding October, if reliability was still being addressed the entire time. That does not smell right. One can only predict confidently about well controlled processes. Why arbitrarily box oneself in like that?

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

At 03:18 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote: Damon Craig <decra...@gmail.com> wrote: What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. I agree. People seem to have no experience with teapots

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Hot Water Experiment and the Pointless Wrangle over Steam Dryness

At 11:39 AM 7/30/2011, Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex, "IF" my memory is correct there was a hot water test on the Rossi Device. Also, it appears the the results of the hot water test were. OK. Well, that's, shall we say, optimistic. It's true, in a way. That is Levi claims to have

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

At 11:04 AM 7/30/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Jouni Valkonen <jounivalko...@gmail.com> wrote: That is very true, it requires lots of steam to rise boiling point temperature by one degree of celsius. How much is lots? If 2% of th

[Vo]:a new essay re the E-cat and its inventor

My dear friends, Recently I have not contributed to the discussions here. However my opinion is here: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/08/impossible-intelligence-test-and.html Sometimes the events are far too interesting. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

At 01:39 PM 8/1/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Andrea Selva wrote: > Michele, if you look at this > page http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3705report3.shtml scrolling > down just past 50% you can see a note and a picture of the factory location The address is

RE: [Vo]:Steam Test Kit

At 08:14 PM 8/2/2011, Jones Beene wrote: Mark, Why measure steam quality at all? If there is one lesson we all should have learned from the many painful gigabytes of wasted bandwidth on Vortex about steam quality, it is that you simply cannot satisfy everyone this way. Too many variables. But

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

At 02:19 PM 8/1/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: I think there is good evidence for Rossi's claims. I hope that Defkalion soon publishes good evidence for their claims, with more rigorous & professional reports than Rossi and Levi et al. have produced so far. I do not think that any of the arguments a

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

At 03:42 AM 8/3/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing), Daniele was also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other sources). Therefore he is within the greates fraud of cold fusion or tells truth that world is saved, because he knows with

Re: [Vo]:Fw: Krivit Snarks

At 05:19 PM 8/1/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: I have not had a chance to read the Krivit newsletter yet, but I agree with Fletcher's comments here. He wrote: > Last year Rossi and Focardi claimed an energy gain of 213 times. This year, Rossi downgraded that to six. But now he's claiming self-sus

Re: [Vo]:Millennium Falcon or Odd Sea Floor Formation

Thanks for bringing this bizarre off-the-wall article to our attention. ;-) A few comments from the peanut gallery: ... > Now, however, his team do not have the money or > resources to examine the shape further. Hopefully, someone with a little spare cash will come forth soon... No venture, no

Re: [Vo]:Millennium Falcon or Odd Sea Floor Formation

They were searching for champagne: http://www.oceanexplorer.se/index.html T

[Vo]:Millennium Falcon or Odd Sea Floor Formation

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2021174/Have-scientists-crashed-flying-saucer-seabed.html#ixzz1Torn51mJ The wreck files: Have scientists found a crashed flying saucer on the seabed? Unidentified object is sitting on the ocean floor between Sweden and Finland By DANIEL BATES Last upd

Re: [Vo]:Sun-free photovoltaics and Second Law of Thermodynamics

I didn't see any mention of the 2nd law of thermodynamics in the article from MIT.. would've been nice On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Hamdi!  Good to hear from you again! > > Terry > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Hamdi Ucar wrote: >> http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/201

Re: [Vo]:Sun-free photovoltaics and Second Law of Thermodynamics

Hamdi! Good to hear from you again! Terry On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Hamdi Ucar wrote: > http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/sun-free-photovoltaics-0728.html > > What happens when the PV have same temparature of the thermal emmiters? > > BTW, can be used with e-cat. > > > >

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing), Daniele was > also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other sources). Indeed he was; and, Daniele has more insider knowledge than Krivit since Daniele has known Levi for de

[Vo]:Sun-free photovoltaics and Second Law of Thermodynamics

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/sun-free-photovoltaics-0728.html What happens when the PV have same temparature of the thermal emmiters? BTW, can be used with e-cat.

Re: [Vo]:Passerini's Prediction

Accoriding Steven Krivit (#3 report and some earlier writing), Daniele was also present at 18 hour test (i have not seen other sources). Therefore he is within the greates fraud of cold fusion or tells truth that world is saved, because he knows with certainty whether E-Cat is for real or a hoax.