Re: Seperate Desktop for Clients on Linux (-inetd option)

2001-01-31 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Jan 31, 2001 at 12:40:12AM -0800, girish sonawane wrote: > When tried to connect thr' Telnet on port 5951 it says > connect failed. inetd.conf problem. Look in /var/log/messages when you restart inetd (you restarted inetd presumably). Tim. */ [demime 0.97b removed an attachment of typ

Re: Multicasting ???

2001-02-02 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:33:52PM +0100, Frode Hatlevik wrote: > This kind of feature would be really neat. Yes it would, and for another project geared towards the same scenario (but with serial leads instead of a network so that it works more of the time), see http://people.redhat.com/twaugh/

Re: window display problems with AIX/UNIX...

2001-02-05 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 01:33:33PM -0500, Magnone, Angelo wrote: > I guess what is really missing is the control bar at the top of each > window. Sounds like your window manager has died. If you're using (say) twm, you want to do something like export DISPLAY=vncserver:5 (or whatever your V

Re: Red Hat 7.0 and VNC

2001-02-05 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, Feb 05, 2001 at 04:00:00PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Both computers are using vnc compiled from vnc-3.3.3r2_unixsrc.tgz > and the RH 7.0 computer does have the RH glibc and gcc rpm updates. Does it do the same if you use the actual precompiled VNC packages from powertools (for 6.

Re: window display problems with AIX/UNIX...

2001-02-06 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 08:00:01AM -0500, Magnone, Angelo wrote: > can you explain... what do you mean by "window manager"? http://www.google.com/search?q=window+managers+for+x> is only a click or two away from http://www.plig.org/xwinman/intro.html>. It's the thing that gives you a title bar.

Re: Ability to disable passwords for Solaris VNC server

2001-02-08 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 01:14:02PM -0600, John Giles wrote: > I am only running this within my company's intranet. How can I get > the vncviewer not to prompt for a password... Start Xvnc without the -rfbauth option. Tim. */ [demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature

Re: Red Hat 7.0 and VNC

2001-02-08 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Feb 08, 2001 at 02:34:38PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I installed the precompiled VNC rpm packages from Red Hat (for 7.0) and the > result was the same: vncviewer: VNC server closed connection > > Any other ideas on getting vnc working between Red Hat 6.2 and 7.0? Are there any i

Re: Cleartext Password ?

2001-02-14 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 10:48:31PM -0600, David Rock wrote: > When I start a vncviewer session from the Gnome Run command option, I > get an Xwindow prompt for servername and then for the password. The > strange part is that when I type the password in, it displays as clear > text. Anyone ever se

Re: kernel hooks

2001-02-18 Thread Tim Waugh
On Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 02:56:11AM -0500, Andrew Bourdon wrote: > I'm thinking of screwing arround with VNC and a really stripped down vanilla > Linux kenel 2 create a very small visual terminal OS which could be used on > old crappy machines with a little RAM and a weak CPU. How dificult would i

Re: kernel hooks

2001-02-18 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 06:59:54PM +0100, Jens Wagner wrote: > - a very small shell - ? nash is small (a 6k static binary on the system I'm looking at). Or sash isn't bad. > - a very small libc (not glibc, it's too large) - ? http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/ > - insmod / ifconfig / route (to con

Re: Index out of range

2001-02-20 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 08:03:16PM -0800, Mike Gustus wrote: > "QImage:color:Index 0 out of range" > This is repeated for Index 85,109,145,255 and then > ends with a "Segmentation fault" and the > application dies. What colour depth are you using? Try a higher one. Tim. */ [demime 0.97b remov

Re: Linux startup scripts for vncserver

2001-02-21 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 08:54:25AM -0800, Lee Allen wrote: > I am planning to write some scripts to support vnc on Linux, and it > seems I might be re-inventing the wheel. That is, has someone else > already done this? Yes, someone has already done this. See the latest vnc-server package on Re

Re: Linux startup scripts for vncserver

2001-02-21 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 10:27:10AM -0800, Lee Allen wrote: > For RedHat, that would be /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions Not any more (there's a symlink /etc/init.d -> /etc/rc.d/init.d). > > prog=$"VNC server" > > echo -n $"Starting $prog: " > > Question: What are the dollar signs for? Translatio

Re: problems with kde2 and tridiavnc

2001-03-01 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 02:13:53PM -0800, SI Reasoning wrote: > I have the tridia version of vnc (most recent release) > and just installed kde 2.1 on a Redhat 6.1. I had > previously been able to successfully run a vncserver > with kde 1 but now I get a signal 11 on just about any > kde program.

Re: kerberized vnc

2001-03-05 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 03:03:09PM -0500, Bill McCabe wrote: > A search through the list archives turned up a couple of messages > discussing, among other things, a kerberized version of vnc. Does anyone > know what the status is of that idea. Still in 'concept' phase, AFAIK. I'm interested in

Re: VNC and Internet

2001-03-07 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 10:03:48PM -0600, Kurt Mysker wrote: > Quite possible, If you do not have a firewall or router in the way, if you > do have a firewall it is somewhat of a hassle but still very possible. All > you need to do is find out the ip of the machine you want to connect to, > open

Re: Bundle VNC software with our server system

2001-03-07 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 07:24:30PM -0800, James Hsu wrote: > ship our customer. Could I package the VNC software > into our management software CD and not against the > VNC GPL? See point 2 of the license. The aggregated work doesn't have to become GPL, but the VNC package must remain GPL. So

Re: REPOST: XFree86 4.0

2001-03-12 Thread Tim Waugh
On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 10:52:14PM -0500, Serge Dutremble wrote: > I had no problem doing it under KDE 1 and XFree86 3.X. This is why I ask. > The commands for starting KDE seem to have changed. "startkde". (This isn't really a VNC question, it's a KDE one.) Tim. */ [demime 0.97b removed an a

Re: FTP Server

2001-03-13 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 01:29:38PM +, Jonathan Morton wrote: > >A built-in FTP server would be great, when using internet connection, not > >lan. > > I'm thinking that maybe FTP per se isn't a good idea, mainly because it's a > surprisingly big and complex protocol to implement. Ever noticed

Re: but exactly which part of ftp is possibly unsafe?

2001-03-13 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 09:13:54AM -0500, David Rothman wrote: > Posed simply, many claim that ftp is 'unsafe', but where is > the risk? /me drops jaw on floor Go search bugtraq (or _any_ security advisory list). Tim. */ [demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] -

Re: FTP Server

2001-03-13 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 05:19:27PM +, Jonathan Morton wrote: > Yes, and the intermediate tunnel would probably be SSH in this example. > This does *not* imply, however, that the tech support worker in question is > able to make that SSH tunnel point where he wants it to. Also, have you > eve

Re: FTP SOLUTION!

2001-03-14 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:19:53AM -0600, Mac Reiter wrote: > You might also look at http://www.tridia.vnc That site is more actively (That's www.tridiavnc.com.) > engaged in support for the professional remote-control industry. As an > example, they now have VNC remote control of the Linux T

Re: FTP SOLUTION!

2001-03-14 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:50:27AM -0600, Mac Reiter wrote: > It's the Beta 2.0 version. The download link is on the righthand side, > down roughly one screen, on the homepage. Haven't played with it myself. > I think it is meant to grab /dev/console, and allow control of things that > normally

Re: Compatibility with the internet

2001-03-17 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:05:09PM -0500, Dr. Frederick A. Kelner wrote: > Can you use VNC over the internet. I would like to do some work on > another computer and avoid using my telephone. I have a cable ISP > and the computer that I want to access uses AOL. Can I do it. Yes, but be aware that

Re: Compatibility with the internet

2001-03-17 Thread Tim Waugh
On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:22:47AM -0500, Dr. Frederick A. Kelner wrote: > When you say on the traceroute path, I have absolutely no idea what you are > talking about. (Some newbie!) When I guess, all I picture that anyone on the > net can grab the server. It means that anyone who is on the path

Re: VNC startup problem.

2001-03-22 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 07:14:20PM -0500, Paul Rubin wrote: > I am using RedHat 7.0 I am tying to have VNCServer startup when the system > is booted. If I run the vncserver script is in the init.d directory while I > am at an xterm it starts VNC perfectly. When I try to set the script to run >

Re: VNC for alpha/linux

2001-03-22 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:18:45PM -0800, Peter Hand wrote: > Has anyone heard of a binary distribution for > alpha/linux? Of VNC? Red Hat Linux comes with vnc packages for Alpha. vnc-3.3.3r1-9 is at: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/releases/guinness/alpha/en/RedHat/RPMS/> vnc-3.3.3r2-14 is

Re: VNC startup problem.

2001-03-23 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 09:19:10PM -0500, Paul Rubin wrote: > I never did locate 'rawhide' I did find rpmfind.net and downloaded and built > vnc-3.3.3r2-14-src.rpm. Did I forget to give you the URL? ftp://rawhide.redhat.com/. > The startup script in that RPM did not work and the RPM did not in

Re: VNC startup problem.

2001-03-23 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:50:09AM -0500, Paul Rubin wrote: > I think there is some confusion here, I am on Intel not Alpha. Sorry, I am confusing you with someone else. Next time I'll check my sent-mail folder.. :-) > On the startup script I guess I mistyped, there was a vncserver.init script

Re: Help - Mandrake Linux - Starting VNCServer Automatically at boot?

2001-03-26 Thread Tim Waugh
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 08:09:02PM -0800, Some Guy wrote: > I'm not asking for Linux lessons, just a way to get this to work FAST. Go grab the Red Hat Rawhide VNC server package from ftp.redhat.com/rawhide/i386/RedHat/RPMS/vnc-server-3.3.3r2-14.i386.rpm. It does this for you. Edit the /etc/sys

Re: Start up demon on linux mandrake 7.1

2001-03-26 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 11:33:18AM +0100, Anthony Kenworthy wrote: > how would i go about making vncserver starting when the linux box boots? You might find that the Red Hat Rawhide vnc-server package helps. It provides a file /etc/sysconfig/vncservers which can be edited to provide VNC sessions

Re: Another option for securing VNC communication

2001-04-02 Thread Tim Waugh
On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 11:00:40PM -0700, Dave Dyer wrote: > It's a free, secure, and completely transparent FTP proxy. Free of charge, but non-redistributable. It also unfortunately has the same name as the sftp that comes with OpenSSH. Tim. */ [demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type app

Re: licnese

2001-04-02 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 11:38:45AM -0500, Mateo Turanzas wrote: > Hi i need to buy any license to use de VNC You don't need a license to use (or modify, or redistribute) VNC, since it is free software and licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public License. If you feel like you want to p

Re: Encoding

2001-04-03 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 05:31:01PM +0200, Nicolas Descharmes wrote: > - I REALLY care about encoding screen captures (for making applications > demos for instance) If you want application demos, rfbproxy (http://people.redhat.com/twaugh/rfbproxy/>) or xrfbviewer (http://www.hexonet.de/>) can rec

Re: Limiting Connections to the vnc server

2001-04-05 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:53:26AM -0700, Anna Arbit wrote: > curently, i have 26 connections running... and none of them are > shared, so i have 26 instances of vnc server.. (I think you'll find that the read-only code sections will be shared in physical memory.) > i would like to limit it the

Re: Limiting Connections to the vnc server

2001-04-05 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:14:39PM -0700, Anna Arbit wrote: > well... the load of 26 separate, not shared, sessions, slows down the > machine quite a bit... It'll be the applications, not the VNC servers, that cause the load. > i thought somebody might have written a subroutine of some sort to

Re: Limiting Connections to the vnc server

2001-04-05 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:04:31PM -0700, Anna Arbit wrote: > check how many sessions r open > if the number is more than 'n' > print sorry and exit > else proceed witht he rest of the vncserver script.. sed -e 's/n/n+1/' /usr/local/bin/yourscript > ~/bin/myscript ~/bin/myscript ..and I get ano

Re: Unix $DISPLAY env variable

2001-04-12 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:58:51PM -0500, Brooke Wallace (EWU) wrote: > So, my question is.. How do I have to set my DISPLAY env variable to > open X windows if I change my userid? Setting it to the same thing > as other windows in my client have (hostname:1.0) does not work > unless I am that us

Re: Scale By Question

2001-04-18 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 09:30:11AM -0400, Ryan Casey wrote: > I know Scale By is experimental, but I was wondering if anybody who knows > about it knows a reason why it has to be integer values. Is there no > algorithm to get it to take, say 1/1.5? You mean 2/3? Tim. */ [demime 0.97b removed

Re: rfbProxy

2001-04-19 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:23:25AM +0200, Nicolas Descharmes wrote: > I am working with windows 98, and I have no idea of how I can > compile the source code to get the executable. I just tired to > compile it "as is", just to see, bt go fatal errors because of > miising headers. They must be sta

Re: rfbProxy

2001-04-19 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:36:56PM +0200, Nicolas Descharmes wrote: > I'd like to use Visual C++ or C++ Builder. > You told you build it with changing only a few lines... In order to build it this way you will probably need to make many more changes than that. Tim. */ [demime 0.97b removed an

Re: rfbProxy

2001-04-19 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 06:45:12PM +0200, Vincent BEZARD wrote: > what are the differneces?? You can find out by using: diff -durN rfbproxy-0.6.1 rfbproxy-0.6.1_Win32 Francis, perhaps it would be better to just include the diff? I'm hoping that rfbproxy-0.6.2 will sort this out when I release

Re: KDE on Redhat 7.1

2001-05-02 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 01:36:04PM +0100, Nigel Morse wrote: > I know very little about X, but i'm gussing that kde is using a new > extension that vnc doesn't support yet? Well, yes, but it should still work without it without any trouble. The problem with KDE 2.1.1 and VNC is that KDE apps cra

Re: RFBProxy Win32

2001-05-02 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:13:03PM +0200, Francis VIVAT wrote: > So it should be better with : rfbproxy --server=:0 --record c:\123.log > But it doesn't work neither. > I should conclude that it doesn't work, but if you tell it everything : > rfbproxy --server=localhost:0 --record c:\123.log > it

Re: RFBProxy Win32

2001-05-11 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:13:03PM +0200, Francis VIVAT wrote: > So it should be better with : rfbproxy --server=:0 --record c:\123.log > But it doesn't work neither. > I should conclude that it doesn't work, but if you tell it everything : > rfbproxy --server=localhost:0 --record c:\123.log > it

[patch] Imakefile fix

2001-06-05 Thread Tim Waugh
With XFree86 4.1.0 installed, Xvnc needs this patch to build. Tim. */ --- vnc_unixsrc/vncviewer/Imakefile.noman Tue Jun 5 13:13:27 2001 +++ vnc_unixsrc/vncviewer/Imakefile Tue Jun 5 13:13:34 2001 @@ -40,4 +40,4 @@ OBJS = $(SRCS:.c=.o) -ComplexProgramTarget(vncviewer) +ComplexPro

Re: linux vnc server from xinetd

2001-06-12 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:19:30PM +0200, Jaap de Wolff wrote: > Vnc version is 3.3.3r2. > This computer has RH7.1 running. Red Hat Linux 7.1 has a method for doing this already: take a look at /etc/sysconfig/vncservers. Tim. */ PS. The list server seems to be dropping all mails that I sign, s

Re: linux vnc server from xinetd

2001-06-12 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 09:26:39AM -0600, Wallendahl, Michael/SEA wrote: > You know, I just installed RH 7.1 last night and saw mention of > /etc/sysconfig/vncservers in the readme file. However, there is no > /etc/sysconfig/vncservers file on my system. Do you know if I need to pick > a certai

Re: vncserver in xinetd (linux)

2001-06-13 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 09:58:02AM +0200, Jaap de Wolff wrote: > I Installed the RH version of vnc. > That came with a service that allows me to start the VNC server for one > user. For the list, it allows more than one user too, like this: VNCSERVERS="1:bob 2:joe 3:tom" Tim. */ --

Re: vncserver in xinetd (linux)

2001-06-13 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 01:05:35PM +0200, Jaap de Wolff wrote: > Yes, I know, but it's not as powerfull as through xdm, where without any > modification every user can log on. Indeed. Tim. */ - To unsubscribe, send a message wi

KDE2 under VNC: not a VNC bug

2001-06-13 Thread Tim Waugh
I have just verified that the KDE2 problems that occur under VNC (i.e. it crashes all the time) are _not_ to do with VNC. It can be reproduced under XFree86 with 'startx -- -depth 8 -cc 4'. The reason that VNC shows the problem up more often is that VNC's default visual in 8 bpp is different to

Re: vnc and security

2001-06-13 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 11:03:28AM -0600, Jeff Walker wrote: > Is there something I'm missing, something I can do to make this anywhere > near the speed of non-ssh? Have you tried using the new 'tight' encoding? www.tightvnc.com. Tim. */ [demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type application

Re: KDE2 under VNC: not a VNC bug

2001-06-14 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 08:06:54PM -0500, Bill Day wrote: > So what would I need to start the server with on linux to be able to pull -cc 3 or -depth 16 Tim. */ [demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] --

Re: Welll, kde2 aint crashing after launching with -depth 16(kde2)

2001-06-15 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:19:20AM -0500, Bill Day wrote: > When I connect to the server by default I receive and xdesktop with a > xterm(on the win client), from the xterm I simply type kde2 which begins the (I use startkde; I don't know if that is better or equivalent to kde2.) > kde2 splash

Re: Is there a stand-alone bitmap/framebuffer VNC encoder available?

2001-06-19 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 03:25:17AM -0700, Caleb Crome wrote: > My question is this: Do the encoders *start* with bitmap data? > How does the encoder know which rectangles have changed since the last > RFB update? I think the answer is that for X, yes, it gets more high-level information t

Re: VNC with Netware

2001-06-19 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:17:47AM -0400, James Pifer wrote: > If this is possible, what options do I start vncserver with? I > thought this possible, but so far I can't get my Netware server to > connect successfully. Have you given the netware server permission to use the display? man xhost,

Re: VNC with Netware

2001-06-19 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:53:32AM -0400, James Pifer wrote: > Sorry, I'm not a unix person. If vncserver is running at 192.168.1.2 and my > Netware server is at 192.168.1.9, what would the xhost command be to allow > it to connect? Into a window in the VNC session, you would type 'xhost +192.16

Re: VNC with Netware

2001-06-19 Thread Tim Waugh
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 12:01:00PM -0400, James Pifer wrote: > Is there any way to allow that without first going into the session and > doing the xhost + stuff? Just so it's there from the start? Yes, but you need to know all about X cookies. ;-) Basically, if you start the VNC server with a -

Re: Not Exactly a VNC Question

2001-06-20 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 06:53:39AM -0400, James Pifer wrote: > This isn't really a VNC question, but since a lot of you know > xwindows so well I thought I'd ask. In general, is it possible to > export a display session to multiple IP addresses? It turns out that it _is_ a VNC question, since th

Re: Not Exactly a VNC Question

2001-06-20 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 07:30:01AM -0400, James Pifer wrote: > Yes, but my problem is that I need to see Netware's screen on the server > itself AND on the vncserver I'm exporting to. The answer is I probably can't > do it if you don't think X can do it. > > If VNC was supported on Netware my pro

Re: Not Exactly a VNC Question

2001-06-20 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 08:38:57AM -0400, James Pifer wrote: > Sorry Tim, I'm not sure I'm following you, or don't see how that > would work or solve my problem. Just to make sure we're both talking > about the same thing, are you familar with Netware 5.1 and its Java > console? No, I'm not. Pe

Re: Launching at startup, and multiple entries in xstartup

2001-06-20 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 08:55:06AM -0500, Matt Keyes wrote: > Has anyone successfully done the following (in Linux): With the Red Hat Linux packages, sure: > 1. Set up VNC to launch as a server during the boot process (I can't figure > this out) /etc/sysconfig/vncservers > 2. Set up xstartup

Re: Is there a rfbproxy windows version?

2002-04-25 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 04:31:01PM +0800, Xie Bo wrote: >Is there a rfbproxy MS windows platform version? I am told that rfbproxy compiles under Cygwin, yes. http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin Tim. */ [demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature] ---

Re: Compiling Errors on Redhat 7.2

2002-05-06 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 10:37:13AM +0200, "Beerse, Corni" wrote: > > system and I get > > an error that ... > > > > make[2]: *** No rule to make target `vncviewer.man', needed by > > `vncviewer._man'. Stop. > > Create this 'vncviewer.man' page yourself, any empty file will do. It's the > manu

Re: Compiling Errors on Redhat 7.2

2002-05-06 Thread Tim Waugh
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 11:47:21AM +0200, "Beerse, Corni" wrote: > > I think the problem is more that the Imakefile uses a target that the > > xmkmf distributed with XFree86 3.3.x understands, but which the one > > distributed with XFree86 4.x (and so with Red Hat Linux) doesn't. > > Rare but pos

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