Re: Port of the VNC

2005-05-16 Thread Yann Renard
Lui Yiu Hang wrote: Hi, I'm a newbie to VNC and I'm using a VNC 4.0 free on both of my computer. Both of my computers have no firewall, I don't know why everytime i install and use the vnc, there is a virus called Backdoor.Evivinc infect my computer. I formatted the computer a few time, but it

VNC problems with Windows 2000 Pro - Dialin

2005-05-16 Thread macjess007
Hello Everyone, I have a problem that I can't seem to overcome and would greatly appreciate some assistance. Some background, all of the computers I mention are running VNC 4.1, Windows 2000 Professional, and ZoneAlarm Pro 5 (latest edition). Here's the story. I have three computers conn

Port of the VNC

2005-05-16 Thread Lui Yiu Hang
Hi, I'm a newbie to VNC and I'm using a VNC 4.0 free on both of my computer. Both of my computers have no firewall, I don't know why everytime i install and use the vnc, there is a virus called Backdoor.Evivinc infect my computer. I formatted the computer a few time, but it is still there when

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Mike Miller
On Mon, 16 May 2005, Rex Dieter wrote: Until now, I've never encountered a vendor who provided rpms who didn't either offer the src.rpm and/or specfile. If you had asked them for those files, maybe they would have given them to you. I think you told them that they *had* to give the file(s) to yo

RSA key in Enterprise Version

2005-05-16 Thread Steve Bostedor
Is there a command line way to generate a new RSA key for the enterprise version of VNC server? Thanks! Steve Bostedor http://www.vncscan.com ___ VNC-List mailing list VNC-List@realvnc.com To remove yourself from the list visit: http://www.realvnc.com/m

Re: Newbie w/ same problem as most newbie's I'm sure...

2005-05-16 Thread Angelo Sarto
For the "remote location" Please answer the following, it will help to narrow down a lot of causes quickly: Connection Type: DSL/Cable/56k/isdn/etc Router/Firewall info: Is there a Hardware router? Brand? Model? Antivirus Software: Brand/Version? Software Firewall: Brand/Version

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL requirement?

2005-05-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
Rex Dieter wrote: If the GPL doesn't cover this case, then I have to say that the GPL is weaker than I thought... and could be abused. Abuse is what the GPL is supposed to prevent, I aggree. The thing to remember here is that the original copyright holder is a special case. The wording we're d

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Rex Dieter
Kyle McDonald wrote: >> This is what it boils down to surely, and I humbly disagree. >> > Have you ever heard of anyone else making this claim? > How was it resolved? AFAIK, it's never been an issue. Until now, I've never encountered a vendor who provided rpms who didn't either offer the src.rpm

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Rex Dieter
Steve Bostedor wrote: > According to his interpretation of the GPL, RealVNC should have included > a fully configured C++ compiler, too! I've only ever asked for the scripts used to generate the rpm. -- Rex ___ VNC-List mailing list VNC-List@realvnc.c

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL requirement?

2005-05-16 Thread Rex Dieter
Kyle McDonald wrote: > A specfile is a convience. Not a requirement. Automating the RPM > building also is a convience and a bonus, Not a requirement. If one distributes GPL binary rpms, then the sources and scripts used to generate it should be provided too. I considered that a requirement of t

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
Rex Dieter wrote: "The" script used to generate the (GPL) rpm on the VNC website is in the sources? Really? If so, I'll shut up and go away. Promise? ;) Just kidding. I haven't looked, but from what others have said there is a sscript or Makefile that will build the binaries from the sources.

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Steve Bostedor
According to his interpretation of the GPL, RealVNC should have included a fully configured C++ compiler, too! This is getting rediculous. Over the last few months, this list has turned more into a GPL compliance discussion list for various reasons than dealing with VNC troubleshooting and develop

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
Rex Dieter wrote: James Weatherall wrote: The source code we supply is exactly the code used to create the binaries contained in the downloadable RPM. Except for the specfile used to actually generate the downloadable RPM, of course. Why are you so resistant to releasing the specfile? Yo

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
Rex Dieter wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2005, Kyle McDonald wrote: If they were *only* providing tarball binaries, this would be true. However, in the case of binary rpms, the "preferred" form the Source Code (as defined by the GPL) is clearly either a src.rpm or the (already-provided) tar-file + rpm s

Newbie w/ same problem as most newbie's I'm sure...

2005-05-16 Thread Calpolyarc
Hello there, I just installed the free version of VNC on three computers. Two at home and the other at a remote location. I can use the viewer to connect both of the home computers using (I don't know type of IP address it is so I'll just type it out and all of you will know what it is) 192.16

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Steve Bostedor
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rex Dieter > Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 11:27 AM > To: vnc-list@realvnc.com > Subject: RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation > > Steve Bostedor wrote: > > > The format that the source is to be delivered

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Rex Dieter
James Weatherall wrote: > The source code we supply is exactly the code > used to create the binaries contained in the downloadable RPM. Except for the specfile used to actually generate the downloadable RPM, of course. Why are you so resistant to releasing the specfile? -- Rex

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
Rex Dieter wrote: In this case, a *binary rpm* is what is being distributed... the "preferred form of the work" and "scripts used to control compilation and installation" is rpm specfile and/or src.rpm. No, It doesn't have to be a specfile. It can be any script or config files that successful

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
Rex Dieter wrote: and theirs to distribute how they see fit. True, provided it complies with their (own) licensing terms. Any copyright holder of any work can relicense it at anytime with new terms. So the copyright holder doesn't have to live by anything they've done in the past. Of course the

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
James Weatherall wrote: Kyle, If we release binaries under the GPL then we have to honour the license's requirements to make the source code to those binaries available, in the same way as anyone else does, which we do. If we didn't do that, we'd be failing to honour the license under which we'd d

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread James Weatherall
Rex, I have responded to you several times on this today, so I'm not sure why you think I haven't. I haven't responded earlier because other list users were answering your questions (correctly :) ). You build the binaries from the source as supplied in the tarball that you can download from our

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread John Aldrich
Rex: The developers of RealVNC make the source code available to everyone in the same form: A tarball. That, to my reading at least, fits the description of "Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code". It's machine readable, and it's source code. To me, "The source c

RE: Registering a new authentication scheme

2005-05-16 Thread James Weatherall
Harshad, You ask us, describing what it's for, and we allocate one appropriately. :) Cheers, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harshad Sovani > Sent: 16 May 2005 15:39 > To: vnc-list@realvnc.com > Subject: Regis

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread James Weatherall
Rex, I'm afraid I don't understand: You have described problems building the vnc.so module against XFree86 and Xorg, and yet you are also complaining that we haven't made the source code available! If we haven't made the source code (which you can get from http://www.realvnc.com/cgi-bin/download

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
Rex Dieter wrote: Kyle McDonald wrote: Rex Dieter wrote: RealVNC is violating the GPL (unknowningly or not) by failing to provide the (preferred) source to the binary they distribute. On top of that, it's trechnically impossible for Real-VNC to violate the GPL. I suggest you

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread James Weatherall
Kyle, If we release binaries under the GPL then we have to honour the license's requirements to make the source code to those binaries available, in the same way as anyone else does, which we do. If we didn't do that, we'd be failing to honour the license under which we'd distributed the software

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread James Weatherall
Rex, No, I'm afraid you are wrong. The RPM specfile has absolutely nothing to do with building the VNC binaries. Have you downloaded the source archive and read and followed the instructions for building on Unix platforms? We already provide binaries for the platforms you list below - is there

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Rex Dieter
Steve Bostedor wrote: > They are the authors and the GPL license is in > place to protect them and not us. > The GPL isn't in place to give us the > right to their code but rather to protect their rights while graciously > giving us their code. IMO, the GPL is intended to protect *both* author

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread John Aldrich
Rex: What part of "tarball of the source" do you think means they're not including the source code? The GPL, as I read it, doesn't say they have to provide it in a "ready-to-compile" form. Heck, they *could*, as I understand it, refuse to give the source unless you purchased RealVNC. There are othe

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread B. Scott Smith
Before you paste it, read it yourself. It says "ONE OF THE FOLLOWING", not "ALL OF THE FOLLOWING" Rex Dieter wrote: >Kyle McDonald wrote: > > > >>Rex Dieter wrote: >> >> >> >>>RealVNC is violating the GPL (unknowningly or not) by failing to >>>provide the (preferred) source to the binary th

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Rex Dieter
Steve Bostedor wrote: > The format that the source is to be delivered in is not covered by the > GPL. Yes it does: "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all mo

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Rex Dieter
James Weatherall wrote: > Please do not spread libellous rumours regarding the RealVNC Ltd. and the > GPL! Sigh, I had hoped it wouldn't deteriorate into something like this. I'm not spreading rumors, and don't intend to. I simply had hoped to receive some sort of reply from RealVNC regarding so

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Rex Dieter
Kyle McDonald wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: > >> >> RealVNC is violating the GPL (unknowningly or not) by failing to >> provide the (preferred) source to the binary they distribute. > On top of that, it's trechnically impossible for Real-VNC to violate the > GPL. I suggest you read the GPL then (

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Steve Bostedor
Rex, The format that the source is to be delivered in is not covered by the GPL. They do supply the source to VNC and anyone can get it at any time. It's a very simple download. Just because it's not packaged in the archive format that you prefer doesn't meant that it's not easily available to

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Steve Bostedor
You are correct, Kyle. They are the authors and the GPL license is in place to protect them and not us. The GPL isn't in place to give us the right to their code but rather to protect their rights while graciously giving us their code. Let's not be greedy, ok? They've worked hard and released a

RE: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread James Weatherall
Rex, Please do not spread libellous rumours regarding the RealVNC Ltd. and the GPL! The full source code to VNC 4 is available for download from http://www.realvnc.com/download.html, so I'm not sure how you've missed it. The source is provided as a tarball rather than a source RPM - this is entir

Re: src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
Rex Dieter wrote: RealVNC is violating the GPL (unknowningly or not) by failing to provide the (preferred) source to the binary they distribute. Given other conversations on here about GPL issues, I'd be surprised if there was really anything underhanded going on here. On top of that, it's trec

Registering a new authentication scheme

2005-05-16 Thread Harshad Sovani
Hi folks, I could see in the RFB protocol spec that a few additional authentication schemes like the following have been registered: RA2 (5) RA2ne (6) Tight (16) Ultra (17) TLS (18) Could somebody tell me what's the procedure to register a new authenticati

src.rpm/specfile, GPL violation

2005-05-16 Thread Rex Dieter
I've been patiently waiting for a response from RealVNC regarding the (un)availability of an rpm specfile and/or src.rpm for linux, since my originally post here on April 29. I only wanted to see how it was built, as I've issues with a home-brewed rpm version of mine(1) which are apparently n

Resolved: VNC/CDE "/usr/dt/bin/dthello: display unix:3.0 doesn't know font fixed"

2005-05-16 Thread tim-vnc
Hi folks. I don't know whether this is a common problem still, but I didn't find anything much of use on the interweb. We were suffering from the /usr/dt/bin/dthello: display unix:3.0 doesn't know font fixed error while trying to use VNC with CDE on Solaris 5.8 after a rebuild. Happily, we'd

RE: Kind of a newbie -- trying2talk2Ubox from Wbox

2005-05-16 Thread John Aldrich
Hmm... wonder if maybe you've got something in your TCP Wrappers blocking your Windoze box from accessing your Debian box? I'm not sure how to configure that in Debian, but in RedHat/Fedora, there's an /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny. Check to make sure you don't have something like "ALL: ALL"

RE: Halt of the viewer computer, Pls Help

2005-05-16 Thread James Weatherall
Richard, Make sure that you have the latest network and graphics drivers for your server computer. Regards, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lui Yiu Hang > Sent: 15 May 2005 09:54 > To: vnc-list@realvnc.com > Su

RE: Filter Access control doesn't works !?

2005-05-16 Thread James Weatherall
Renato, The pattern that you've specified allows connections from any address starting with 192.168.0, so accepting from 192.168.0.40 is correct. Perhaps you meant: 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.255,- Regards, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[E

Re: Filter Access control doesn't works !?

2005-05-16 Thread David Vallance
At 9:14 on 16 May 2005, Renato Rolando wrote: > I tried personal version 4.1 > Added password access > Added access control 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0,-, > (I checked the right ip address on registry section because the > interface have some problems to save correctly ip) > Restarted service > > N

Filter Access control doesn't works !?

2005-05-16 Thread Renato Rolando
I tried personal version 4.1 Added password access Added access control 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0,-, (I checked the right ip address on registry section because the interface have some problems to save correctly ip) Restarted service Now I try to connect from a pc like 192.168.0.40 I'm able to put