[Uta] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Concern about draft-ietf-uta-require-tls13-10 with IoT protocols

2025-04-09 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Tue, Apr 08, 2025 at 04:48:12PM +, Salz, Rich wrote: > Is the second paragraph of Sec 4 not sufficient? It says “If deployment > considerations are a concern, the protocol MAY specify TLS 1.2 as an > additional, non-default option.” That wording alone encourages non-interop: One implement

[Uta] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Concern about draft-ietf-uta-require-tls13-10 with IoT protocols

2025-04-09 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Tue, Apr 08, 2025 at 11:23:44AM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote: > I don't agree that this change is indicated. TLS 1.3 is far more widespread > than just in browsers. It's been in major libraries for years and is > supported in the Windows, MacOS, iOS, and Android stacks. This is not to say > that

[Uta] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Concern about draft-ietf-uta-require-tls13-10 with IoT protocols

2025-04-09 Thread Toerless Eckert
On Wed, Apr 09, 2025 at 07:51:59PM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote: > Perhaps not, but that's not what I am saying. Rather, the point I am > making is that your proposed text limiting this to *browsers* is far too > narrow and the > original text that says TLS 1.3 is widely deployed is in fact correct

[Uta] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Concern about draft-ietf-uta-require-tls13-10 with IoT protocols

2025-04-09 Thread 'Toerless Eckert'
Valery, you are talking about constrained IoT devices, i am talking about the broader set of "embedded" (most not very constrained) devices, such as used in wide range of industries, typically with extremely long technology adoption and certification cycles. Cheers Toerless On Wed, Apr 09

[Uta] Concern about draft-ietf-uta-require-tls13-10 with IoT protocols

2025-04-08 Thread Toerless Eckert
Dear IESG, *: We received IESG review for draft-ietf-anima-brski-prm that was asking to make the use of TLS 1.3 mandatory based on the expectation that draft-ietf-uta-require-tls13 would become RFC - unless we provide sufficient justification in our (prm) draft. I would like to point out, that

[Uta] Re: [Last-Call] Re: Concern about draft-ietf-uta-require-tls13-10 with IoT protocols

2025-04-10 Thread Toerless Eckert
ase see inline one clarification comment as I think that is important. > > Cheers, > Med > > > -Message d'origine- > > De : Toerless Eckert > > Envoyé : mardi 8 avril 2025 18:05 > > À : draft-ietf-uta-require-tls13@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.o

[Uta] Re: [Last-Call] Re: [Iotops] Re: Concern about draft-ietf-uta-require-tls13-10 with IoT protocols

2025-04-15 Thread Toerless Eckert
Please do not confuse IoT with "constrained devices/networks". The later has been the mayority of focus of IoT work in the IETF for almost two decades now, but it is not how IoT is used outside the IETF - including how most non-IETF attendants would read the term "IoT" in RFCs (not knowing the IET