Re: [Uta] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Hi Peter, > -Original Message- > From: Peter Saint-Andre > Sent: 14 July 2022 16:07 > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525...@ietf.org; uta-cha...@ietf.org; uta@ietf.org; > le...@sunet.se > Subject: Re: Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09:

Re: [Uta] [Last-Call] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:19 AM Cullen Jennings via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > > I don't think BCP is the appropriate status for this. I think it should be > PS. > It explicitly says that is not trying to change existent advice in > existing RFC > and theses will need other RFC to "mo

Re: [Uta] [Last-Call] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:30:55AM -0700, Rob Sayre wrote: > On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:19 AM Cullen Jennings via Datatracker < > nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > > > > I see no evidence of any > > discussion of how that will work out for things that use HTTP but are not > > browsers. > > > > There jus

Re: [Uta] [Last-Call] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:47 AM Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:30:55AM -0700, Rob Sayre wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:19 AM Cullen Jennings via Datatracker < > > nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I see no evidence of any > > > discussion of how that will work out

Re: [Uta] [art] [Last-Call] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

Ok done On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 10:56 PM Rob Sayre wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:47 AM Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:30:55AM -0700, Rob Sayre wrote: >> > On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:19 AM Cullen Jennings via Datatracker < >> > nore...@ietf.org> wrote: >> > >> > >> >

Re: [Uta] [art] [Last-Call] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

Show my share On Sat, Jul 16, 2022, 12:01 AM Anjam Saqib wrote: > Ok done > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 10:56 PM Rob Sayre wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:47 AM Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:30:55AM -0700, Rob Sayre wrote: >>> > On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:19 AM

Re: [Uta] [Last-Call] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

On 7/15/22 11:54 AM, Rob Sayre wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:47 AM Benjamin Kaduk > wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:30:55AM -0700, Rob Sayre wrote: > On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:19 AM Cullen Jennings via Datatracker < > nore...@ietf.org

Re: [Uta] [Last-Call] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 12:29 PM Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > > And, surprisingly enough, that's already mentioned in the applicability > statement section of this document: > > This document does not discuss the use of TLS in constrained-node > networks [RFC7228]. For recommendations rega

Re: [Uta] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

On 7/15/22 3:25 AM, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: Hi Peter, -Original Message- From: Peter Saint-Andre Sent: 14 July 2022 16:07 To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525...@ietf.org; uta-cha...@ietf.org; uta@ietf.org; le...@sunet.se Subject: Re: Robert Wilton's Disc

Re: [Uta] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022, at 06:01, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> Shouldn’t this be "Implementations MUST support TLS 1.2 {{!RFC5246}} or a >> later version"? Otherwise, protocols like QUIC would presumably not be >> compliant with this BCP if they only support TLS 1.3? Or alternatively, >> this cou

Re: [Uta] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

On 7/15/22 2:37 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2022, at 06:01, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Shouldn’t this be "Implementations MUST support TLS 1.2 {{!RFC5246}} or a later version"? Otherwise, protocols like QUIC would presumably not be compliant with this BCP if they only support TLS

Re: [Uta] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Last-Call] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

Andrei Popov writes: >The TLS 1.3 adoption document you reference seems to be based solely on Web >browser data: This seems to be near-universal when TLS is discussed, see several previous examples of this on this list. Just as any new medical breakthrough announcement needs to have the word "i

Re: [Uta] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Last-Call] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-uta-rfc7525bis-09

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 19:48 Peter Gutmann wrote: > Andrei Popov writes: > > >The TLS 1.3 adoption document you reference seems to be based solely on > Web > >browser data: Firstly, this comment is not true. The document covers many interactions. There are non-browser clients, embedded produc