Re: [Uta] Wildcards

2021-07-09 Thread Salz, Rich
I agree with the reasoning, but I think you have to deprecate before removal and therefore not in this draft. We could update the security concerns and say MAY NOT about issuance perhaps. The text already says clients MAY use them. They're still allowed in the WebPKI, and I am unsure of non-web

Re: [Uta] Wildcards

2021-07-09 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Jul 08, 2021 at 06:52:15PM -0400, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > Can "the industry" (CAs, software vendors, ...) unite behind getting the > > users to accept the right, but arguably less convenient, tradeoff? > > No. I think deprecating wildcards would be a bad outcome for users and for > server

Re: [Uta] Wildcards

2021-07-09 Thread Tony Finch
Jim Fenton wrote: > > I would expect subjectAltName to have the same constraints as DNS > entries have, which only allow wildcards for full labels, so I support > only allowing *.apps.example.com. Well, it's more complicated than that, because it isn't feasible to get certificate wildcards to hav

Re: [Uta] Wildcards

2021-07-09 Thread Ryan Sleevi
On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 3:03 PM Tony Finch wrote: > My understanding is that PKIX wildcard matching originally used glob(3), > (with . as the separator instead of /) which is both more relaxed and more > restricted than DNS wildcards. > I'm not aware of any implementations with that semantics. At

Re: [Uta] Wildcards

2021-07-09 Thread Tony Finch
Ryan Sleevi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 3:03 PM Tony Finch wrote: > > > My understanding is that PKIX wildcard matching originally used glob(3), > > (with . as the separator instead of /) which is both more relaxed and more > > restricted than DNS wildcards. > > I'm not aware of any implement