Re: [Uta] Adoption of draft-rsalz-use-san

2021-03-19 Thread Hubert Kario
On Monday, 15 March 2021 11:38:04 CET, Henning Krause wrote: Hi, As a developer for an email security gateway, I'm all in favor of validating the SAN instead of the CN on the SMTP level. And though SMTP mostly uses opportunistic TLS, mandatory use of TLS is increasing with more people adopti

Re: [Uta] Depreciation (was Re: Adoption of draft-rsalz-use-san)

2021-03-19 Thread Hubert Kario
On Wednesday, 17 March 2021 07:53:25 CET, Eliot Lear wrote: On 17 Mar 2021, at 06:57, Watson Ladd wrote: On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 2:59 AM Eliot Lear wrote: Architecturally, Rich is nailing it. We should be encouraging the use of SANs. However, use of SANs beyond the scope of the web may not

Re: [Uta] Depreciation (was Re: Adoption of draft-rsalz-use-san)

2021-03-19 Thread Eliot Lear (elear)
> On 19 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Hubert Kario wrote: > > it's also a place that needs to keep on moving forward as new attacks and > more powerful computers come into light every year Sure. That’s why I support the draft. > >>> which nothing short of >>> MUST NOT seems to get across. >> >> Why

Re: [Uta] Depreciation (was Re: Adoption of draft-rsalz-use-san)

2021-03-19 Thread Hubert Kario
On Friday, 19 March 2021 15:12:25 CET, Eliot Lear (elear) wrote: On 19 Mar 2021, at 12:20, Hubert Kario wrote: it's also a place that needs to keep on moving forward as new attacks and more powerful computers come into light every year Sure. That’s why I support the draft. which nothin

Re: [Uta] Depreciation (was Re: Adoption of draft-rsalz-use-san)

2021-03-19 Thread Eliot Lear
Hubert, This is it for me. Apparently you are not going to be convinced that the world is bigger than the web. This is not about excuses, but the real world. It is not about lawyering- few of us here, if any are lawyers. Probably a good thing. Again, I am happy for this document to extend

Re: [Uta] Depreciation (was Re: Adoption of draft-rsalz-use-san)

2021-03-19 Thread Nico Williams
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 07:53:25AM +0100, Eliot Lear wrote: > The alternative view is that we shouldn’t break stuff or write edicts > we know will be ignored. AR certs are burned into products. They’re > NEVER going to change, and some code in some contexts need to expect > them. That includes,

Re: [Uta] Depreciation (was Re: Adoption of draft-rsalz-use-san)

2021-03-19 Thread Nico Williams
On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 05:19:17PM +0100, Eliot Lear wrote: > This is it for me. Apparently you are not going to be convinced that > the world is bigger than the web. This is not about excuses, but the > real world. It is not about lawyering- few of us here, [...] I think you've convinced yours