I am working on a project with specifications to bundle Tomcat7 with a
Web Application. I am having trouble with the initial package setup, as
this is my first time bundling Tomcat7. I've developed WAR files that
have been deployed before.
I'm trying to start basic and get the bundle instan
Hi all.
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Mark Eggers wrote:
> On 3/19/2013 1:05 PM, Christopher Schultz wrote:
>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA256
>
>
[snip]
> Go get a copy of "Tomcat: The Definitive Guide" by Jason Brittain (who
wer this with a java.util.logging point of view.
You can install multiple handlers
(http://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/util/logging/Handler.html),
even dynamically.
You can attach this to the root logger "" or a
at was confusing too.
>
> > Yes they do, when they start top-posting after someone
> else bottom-posted, it gets confusing.
>
> Nobody forces you to.
>
> > But I don't.
>
> Yes, but some people prefer it this way.
>
> > Because it ru
As JSF 2.0 doesn't include a file upload component, I need to write my own
multipart/form-data process. According to the information in bug # 49711, I
cannot do this with a filter in Tomcat 7, but I can in a servlet. However,
using the following servlet, HttpRequestServlet.getPart() returns nul
>
> The basic functionality works since this is how the Tomcat Manager
> application does file uploads (although it is configured in web.xml
> rather than with annotations).
>
> I'd check web.xml. Does it have the correct schema definition for a
> servlet 3.0 webapp? If not, Tomcat won't scan fo
Tomcat 7.06 HttpRequestServlet.getPart() returns null in servlet
>
> On 14/01/2011 23:11, JASON HOLT wrote:
> >
> > As JSF 2.0 doesn't include a file upload component, I need to write my own
> > multipart/form-data process. According to the information in bug # 49711, I
>
sed I think).
>
> Any idea what the problem may be or how to go about
> investigating this?
Try using a low level tool like curl to reproduce problems.
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y nice, good memory on the bug, just read the patch.
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> of hardware (or VMs) these days, I'd have the test and prod
> systems on different boxes or VMs, and let each developer run
> their own Tomcat instance on their own workstation.
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Is there any way to define a global database pool without touching server.xml?
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desired connection pools and placed them in the
global namespace. Other web applications could then retrieve them as if they
had been defined in server.xml.
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> On 02/02/2011 20:47, Jason Prin
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> From: Mark Thomas [mailto:ma...@apache.org]
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> Subject: Re: Secure AJP over ssl
>
> On 21/02/2011 22:19, Jason Pyeron wrote:
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> >&
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> Subject: Re: Secure AJP over ssl
>
> On 21/02/2011 21:31, Jason Pyeron wrote:
> > Does (or could) tomcat 5.5 support encrypted AJP?
>
> No.
>
&
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:20
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> Subject: Re: Secure AJP over ssl
>
> On 02/21/2011 10:31 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
> > Does (or could) tomcat 5.5
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> On 02/22/2011 11:23 PM, Jason Pyeron wrote:
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e keep-alive.
>
> Good to know that mod_proxy_http uses keepalive. I was
> recommending the others since the OP seems wedded to AJP.
> Also, if there is any other traffic to encrypt (JDBC, etc.)
> the VPN would handle that, too.
It is not that I am wedded to any particular implem
I am using tomcat 6.0.16 and windows xp.
So I have been looking on the web for hours trying to find how to enabled
System.out in tomcat 6. I used to have tomcat 5.0.x When I used
System.out.println("text"); the text would be written to a stdout.log file.
Now
that I am using tomcat 6, I can'
(as there will be a hardware loadbalancer and no
sessions).
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dy in the docs (I know - patches
welcome :))
Is there any measurable performance optimization of using the name of the host
that is expected to be in the request? I would guess not, even for a very high
volume site, but haven't looked at the code.
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> Subject: Re: Typical setting for
>
> On 15/03/2011 06:06, Jason Pringle wrote:
> > Clearly what is there is correct, since it
gt; >>> We are running a RAC, and I'm querying gv$session which
> should get
> >>> me all cluster member connections.
> >>>
> >>> As David said, this does work with the thin driver, but I
> need the
> >>> service/load balancing functionality from OCI.
rogram. The reason for the problem is that he does not know
how to do it either when using the OCI jdbc driver (it is likely not possible).
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# processname: httpd
# config: /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
# config: /etc/sysconfig/httpd
# pidfile: /var/run/httpd.pid
See the line with chkconfig - S## E##?
Put those in your config before doing a chkconfig add, and it will cause them to
start in that order. Make sure they start after nfs and die before nfs and you
should be g
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> Q: What happens to those 75 instances when the NFS directory
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just that you are reaching fd limit and hence must edit your
ulimits.Hope this helps.
/Jason
t; FILES>>", "read,write,execute,delete"; };
>
> grant codeBase "file:${catalina.home}/webapps/GSMFilter/-"{
> permission java.security.AllPermission; };
>
> grant codeBase "file:${catalina.home}/webapps/GSMFilter/-"{
> permission java.lang.RuntimePermission
> &
lasses of my context from the web content.
I'm running tomcat 6.0.29 on 64 bit RHEL 5. Apache 2.2.16 sits infront of
tomcat. Any advice or kicks in the right direction would be greatly
appreciated.
Jason
on a redeployment.
We rigged our current application server (Oracle OAS 10.1.3.4) to allow this
separation of content from configuration/classes/lib but that is neither
here nor there.
Thanks for your input.
Jason
> In Tomcat 7 you could use an alias.
>
> Mark
>
>
Definitely interested. Is there a time frame on when 7 will have a non-beta
release? Thanks for the heads up.
Jason
I would make sure that the link for your "Messages" tab is going to the same
domain as that your session was established under and is hitting the same
domain as your "Home" and "Admin" links. This doesn't seem to have anything
to do with Tomcat though.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Hisham wr
context is un-deployed.**
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
> On 24/08/2010 20:00, Jason Britton wrote:
> >> In Tomcat 7 you could use an alias.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >>
> > Definitely interested. Is there a time fram
nstead of dev2) would not have the same session
as the other links and the session attribute value he was looking for
might not be there, which would fit with what he's describing.
Jason
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Stephen Caine wrote:
> Jason,
>
> As each window shares the sa
7;s WEB-INF
directory. I can redeploy FOO and ROOT gets new config/classes/lib
via symlink and I don't have to worry about docBase of ROOT getting
undeployed. Tried aliases context attribute in 7.0, just couldn't get
it to provide same separation symlink did, or I just wasn't using i
What version tomcat?
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Steffen Heil wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am sorry, I am asking something not really related to tomcat here.
> While this may sound like a beginners question, I think I really what I am
> doing in java, but this time I suspect I have found a scenario w
>From your original post
"The exception is only thrown under 64bit Linux Server-VM, within tomcat. It
is neither thrown under 64bit Windows, nor on the very same Linux VM as
standalone testcase, nor when a debugger is remotely attached.
"
Sounds like you're saying it only happens within Tomcat, so
er is
not allowed to access resource.
Jason
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Brian McBride
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I want to implement discretionary access control in an app running in
> Tomcat - i.e. access controls on URLs served by Tomcat can be changed by
> users. I expect to h
d.
Running tomcat 6.0.29 on 64-bit RHEL 5.5.
Jason
d.
Running tomcat 6.0.29 on 64-bit RHEL 5.5. Thanks a lot for your help,
Jason
So even if my context still exists in exploded form in the webapps directory
and I remove the .war form of the context, it'll remove the associated
context.xml from the conf/Catalina/HOST/ directory?
On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Wesley Acheson wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:36 P
ions on that file and see what
happens. Thanks for your insights.
Jason
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Pid wrote:
> On 10/09/2010 01:03, Jason Britton wrote:
> > Could anyone give me an explanation what might cause my webapp's context
> > configuration to be
hem? Could they be implemented within the interceptor
framework?
5) What are the implications for using with RAC?
6) What are the implications for using with FSF (Fast Start Failover)?
7) What are the implications for using within and XA environment (though
we work hard to avoid X
On 09/23/2010 2:27 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> Several release attempts have failed due to a lack of interest.
Lack of interest by whom? The development team or the tomcat community?
> That said, $work is using this as the default pool in a commercial
> product based on Tomcat with minimal issue
hasn't supported a promising component?
NB: I'm not passing any judgement on the component itself, but a criterion for
us to pull in FOSS is the level of community support etc.
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MuleSoft also offers training and consulting on Tomcat, though we're mainly
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modifying 6 other lines.
?
>
> Of course, it's kind of embarrassing that I allowed that bug
> to creep in in the first place...
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Steve Ryder wrote:
> I am getting this during mysql connection (about once a week).
> I have read the thread on MySQL forum, which has a "solution", but the link
> to the solution is broken and points back to the same page
s any additional information I could
gather before stopping it. Suggestions on how best to debug and figure out
exactly what requests are hanging up tomcat would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot for any suggestions,
Jason
This gives a little more detail than whatever you're currently looking at
http://struts.apache.org/2.2.1/docs/create-struts-2-web-application-with-artifacts-in-web-inf-lib-and-use-ant-to-build-the-application.html
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Josh Gooding wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm trying
Just for your sanity, to make sure there are no other logging.properties
files in your classpath, change the prefix for your FileHandler to something
other than catalina so you can be sure this logging.properties file is the
one being used for your logging config. If your prefix remains catalina..
og"
>>
>>
>> (I'm running Tomcat from inside NetBeans, in Windows platform - I have
>> also similar configuration in Ubuntu Server 10.10 with Tomcat alone).
>>
>>
>> Edson.
>>
>>
>> Em 19/10/2010 20:43, Jason Britton escreveu:
&g
these threads with
jstack broken(?) on my environment and any ideas on how to proceed with
debugging this situation would be greatly appreciated. Thanks - Jason
Thread dump from hung tomcat process
Thread 27817 "catalina-exec-foo-20": (state = BLOCKED)
Thread 27267 "catalina-ex
Thankfully when I pulled up jvisualvm on the server and issued thread dumps,
even though the stacktraces for the threads did not come up within jvisualvm
the thread stacktraces were dumped to stdout. So I did get thread
stacktraces in my tomcat log.I won't post entire stacktraces here but
almo
commons-dbcp-1.2.1.jar
and
commons-pool-1.3.jar
I have a connection handler class that I wrote around a static instance of
SharedPoolDataSource. SharedPoolDataSource gets initialized in static
block. Locking shown in stacktrace is occurring within
aSharedPoolDataSource.getConnection() call. The
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Pid wrote:
> On 21/10/2010 00:11, Jason Britton wrote:
>
> > Highly recommend trying out jvisualvm (it's in your jdk bin) if you're
> > running 1.6.
>
> There's a standalone release - 1.3.1 - with more p
subsequent fixes actually did the job.
Thanks for the input - Jason
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Martin Kuen wrote:
> jason,
>
> Out of personal interest I have a question about the way you use jstack. I
> came across this "jstack cannot take dump of hung process&
Top result doing google search
http://www.mindspill.org/kiwiThread$msgnum=207
See Mark's response bottom of page:
https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3839#c14
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Gabriele Bulfon wrote:
> Hello, I'm trying to figure out how to solve a very stupid pr
0% used
[0x2aab2d42,0x2aab2d42,0x2aab2e21)
to space 13312K, 0% used
[0x2aab2c72,0x2aab2c72,0x2aab2d42)
PSOldGen total 1310720K, used 93616K [0x2aaace21,
0x2aab1e21, 0x2aab1e21)
object space 1310720K, 7% used
[0x2aaace21,0x2aaad3d7c178,0x2aab1e21)
PSPermGen total 524288K, used 109830K [0x2e21,
0x2aaace21, 0x2aaace21)
object space 524288K, 20% used
[0x2e21,0x2aaab4d51a20,0x2aaace21)
Jason
hreadPoolExecutor.java:886)
at
java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:908)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Caldarale, Charles R
wrote:
>
> From: Jason Britton [mailto:jbritto...@gmail.com]
> > Subject: Re: tomcat 6.0.
one of two of the hanging applications are doing db connection validation.
The application using DBCP configures it's SharedPoolDataSource using
setValidationQuery("select 'validationQuery' from dual");
setTestOnBorrow(true);
Funny enough, thread stacktrace below shows th
Thanks for the insight Dave. I have several threads sitting spinning
on socket read at the moment and dba reports zero database locks of
any kind on database they're trying to read from (a qa database).
Quite baffled as to what's happening to these database connections and
why every now and then t
I've further traced the root cause of my problems with threads sitting on
socket read, never timing out, never throwing an exception and sometimes
causing application deadlock (depending on where the socket read occurs)
down to the network. By comparing the output of lsof -i :1521 | grep
on
Since you're using an Oracle database - another way to identify areas in
your code that aren't closing connections. In the sql below substitute
YOURDBUSER with the name of the database user your connections connect to
your database with and YOURWEBSERVER with the name of your webserver. The
resul
these services?
Did you do a google search for tomcat consultants?
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> > Disclaimer: W
logging on tomcat 5.5.23 using jdk 1.6.0_17.
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> Subject: Modifying logging levels logged in catalina.out at runtime
>
> This may be slig
duplicate efforts,
and to promote more Tomcat compatibility across Linux distributions), but as
of now that's just an idea I bounced off of a couple of people. I do agree
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On Fri, Dec 3, 20
I am not sure what happened but something changed in the last week and now
tomcat does not want to start up. All my googling points to a selinux or
permission problem. I have reviewed audit.log and verified that the tomcat user
can write, modify and delete file in the directoy. Any suggestion would
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 0:29
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: Issues on startup for tomcat 5.5 on RHEL 5.5
>
> 2010/12/7 Jason Pyeron :
> >
> > The permissions on /usr/share/tomc
> -Original Message-
> From: Konstantin Kolinko
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:35
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: Issues on startup for tomcat 5.5 on RHEL 5.5
>
> 2010/12/8 Jason Pyeron :
> >> > java.io.IOException: IOException writing t
I'm wanting to configure a database connection. I've got my
configurations stored in the META-INF/context.xml file, but because I'm
not deploying my application as a WAR, the context.xml is ignored.
I can copy my application's context.xml and place it in the
tomcat/conf/context.xml and it wor
INF method would work. I guess I will stay with placing
the configurations in the ROOT.XML.
-JA-
On 4/30/2013 1:16 PM, Caldarale, Charles R wrote:
From: Jason Aleski [mailto:jason.ale...@gmail.com]
Subject: context.xml vs ROOT.xml
I've got my configurations stored in the META-INF/contex
Yeah, i'll bet y'all are users.
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> From: Jason Ricles
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 15:28
>
> Where can I find a checklist so that I may make my tomcat server DISA
> compliant?
I think the term you are looking for is STIG compliant.
Please let us know more about the context
Protocols' to 'TLSv1,TLSv1.1,TLSv1.2' did not find a matching
property.
The host is running tomcat 6.0.41 with Java 7u65.
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INFO: Starting service Catalina
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On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> On 16/10/2014 23:46, Jaso
Does anyone happen to know if embedded tomcat is in Defense
Information Systems Agency list? I know regular tomcat is but I have a
need to use embedded tomcat for what I need to accomplish.
Jason Ricles
I have a tomcat webpage with a websocket server written in java to
communicate with the webpage. I want this websocket server to be able to
communicate with an external java program without an sockets, so something
like this
webpage<>websocket server<>external java
be able to access my sessions from an external java class,
however each time I do sessionList.getsize() it keeps coming back as 0, but
there is an active sessions. Is there any way I can access the active
sessions in tomcat from an external java class?
Jason
> however each time I do sessionList.getsize() it keeps coming back as 0,
> but
> > there is an active sessions. Is there any way I can access the active
> > sessions in tomcat from an external java class?
> >
> > Jason
> >
>
> What is an external java class? Is it in
the data between the processes.
> A simple and easy solution would be to use http://hazelcast.com/, for
> example.
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Jason Ricles
> wrote:
>
> > No,
> >
> > it is external as in it is running in a daemon on a linux machine
each other. Is there any way outside of sockets
to have foo and the websocket server on bar do this?
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Martin Grigorov
wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Jose María Zaragoza >
> wrote:
>
> > 2014-10-28 13:44 GMT+01:00 Jason Ricles :
Does it matter that foo will not be running on a server? It will be running
as a standalone on the machine, unaware of tomcat basically.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Martin Grigorov
wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Jason Ricles
> wrote:
>
> > Ok so here is the prob
and just regular messages.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:42 AM, chris derham wrote:
> On 28 October 2014 11:06, Jason Ricles wrote:
> > Ok so here is the problem I have been spinning my wheels on for day let
> me
> > just lay it out.
> >
> > I have a daemon written in
I can not using anything outside of tomcat to accomplish this, due anything
outside of tomcat being on an approved list.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Martin Grigorov
wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Jason Ricles
> wrote:
>
> > Does it matter that foo will not
I am looking at it but am having trouble seeing the connection, do you care
to expand on how it can be used other then for the http request?
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Martin Grigorov
wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Jason Ricles
> wrote:
>
> > I can not using a
's the problem with using a socket? Or better
> yet, a message broker like ActiveMQ like someone else has already
> suggested?
>
>
> On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 09:46 -0400, Jason Ricles wrote:
> > Communicate means something happens that the daemon is monitoring, so
> thus
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27;re coding to an API instead of
> having to invent message formats and protocols.
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> On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 10:16 -0400, Jason Ricles wrote:
> > Yes we are trying to portable, well the socket is the last resort. We are
> > trying to avoid it until now but will go that wa
, Christopher Schultz <
ch...@christopherschultz.net> wrote:
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> Jason,
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> On 10/28/14 9:06 AM, Jason Ricles wrote:
> > Ok so here is the problem I have been spinning my wheels on for day
> > let me just lay it
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