Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
David kerber wrote on 05/17/2010 12:43:17 PM: > On 5/17/2010 2:19 PM, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > > "Caldarale, Charles R" wrote on 05/17/2010 > > 12:14:21 PM: > > > >>> From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] > >>>

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Gainty
us ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 14:43:17 -0400 > From: dcker...@verizon.net > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > Subject: Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > On 5/17/2010 2:19 PM, peter_f...@blm.gov w

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread David kerber
On 5/17/2010 2:19 PM, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: "Caldarale, Charles R" wrote on 05/17/2010 12:14:21 PM: From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] Subject: RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions The only 100% secure system is one that is turned off. Not sure

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] > Subject: RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > Unplugged then? Unplugged and encased in lead, perhaps. Preferably in a dark cellar, with no stairs, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disu

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
"Caldarale, Charles R" wrote on 05/17/2010 12:14:21 PM: > > From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] > > Subject: RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > > > The only 100% secure system is one that is turned off. > > Not sure even

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Jeffrey Janner
Unplugged then? With today's wake-on-lan, always on NIC connectors, I can see what you mean. -Original Message- From: Caldarale, Charles R [mailto:chuck.caldar...@unisys.com] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:14 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup ac

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] > Subject: RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > The only 100% secure system is one that is turned off. Not sure even that is sufficient... - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Jeffrey Janner
The only 100% secure system is one that is turned off. -Original Message- From: peter_f...@blm.gov [mailto:peter_f...@blm.gov] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:09 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions Well, it's the usual thing - you can h

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
Well, it's the usual thing - you can have a system that's completely open but gets cratered because some duffer clicked the wrong button. Or you can have a system that's 100% secure, but nobody can use it because it's 100% secure. Or you can have something that's "secure enough" to protect from acc

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Pid
On 17/05/2010 18:14, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > Pid wrote on 05/17/2010 10:55:06 AM: > >> On 17/05/2010 17:48, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: >>> To clarify what I'm up to here - we have an in-house doc that suggests >>> switching off autoDeploy and deployOnStartup on production systems, and >> >> Do

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
Pid wrote on 05/17/2010 10:55:06 AM: > On 17/05/2010 17:48, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > > To clarify what I'm up to here - we have an in-house doc that suggests > > switching off autoDeploy and deployOnStartup on production systems, and > > Does it explain why it makes this suggestion? To preven

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Pid
On 17/05/2010 17:48, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > To clarify what I'm up to here - we have an in-house doc that suggests > switching off autoDeploy and deployOnStartup on production systems, and Does it explain why it makes this suggestion? > I've been testing those recommendations on an experimen

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
To clarify what I'm up to here - we have an in-house doc that suggests switching off autoDeploy and deployOnStartup on production systems, and I've been testing those recommendations on an experimental setup. What the in-house doc forgets to say is what you've explained here (and which answers my o

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Mark Thomas
On 17/05/2010 17:33, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > Mark Thomas wrote on 05/17/2010 10:12:20 AM: >> Not pointless. It limits deployed apps to *only* those defined in >> server.xml. > > Ok - so if I want my app to start I have to place the context element in > server.xml. I would have thought that an

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
Mark Thomas wrote on 05/17/2010 10:12:20 AM: > On 17/05/2010 16:56, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > > > > I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup setting is supposed to > > do, especially when it's set to "false". > > It controls if apps are deployed when Tomcat starts. > > > The basic que

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Pid
On 17/05/2010 16:56, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > > I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup setting is supposed to > do, especially when it's set to "false". > > The basic question is, what is the purpose of this setting? It would appear > that if you set it to "false", then applications

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
Notes inline... "Caldarale, Charles R" wrote on 05/17/2010 10:11:47 AM: > > From: peter_f...@blm.gov [mailto:peter_f...@blm.gov] > > Subject: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > > > > > I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup setting is > > supposed to do, especially when it's

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
Oops, forgot to say. I'm on 6.0.26. The online documentation I read is at: http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/config/host.html#Automatic%20Application%20Deployment ...which is very clear about what happens with deployOnStartup="true" but as far as I can see gives no details about what's supp

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Mark Thomas
On 17/05/2010 16:56, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > > I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup setting is supposed to > do, especially when it's set to "false". It controls if apps are deployed when Tomcat starts. > The basic question is, what is the purpose of this setting? It would appea

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: peter_f...@blm.gov [mailto:peter_f...@blm.gov] > Subject: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > > I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup setting is > supposed to do, especially when it's set to "false". It defers webapp deployment until after the container is up and ru

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Konstantin Kolinko
2010/5/17 : > There's a couple of places in documentation (online, and also in the > O'Reilly book) where it says you shouldn't have hot-deployment AND > deployOnStart enabled because it can result in applications being deployed > twice 1. For what Tomcat version? 2. Where online? Is it anywhere