Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-06-08 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave, (Found this old message in my "drafts" folder. In case I didn't sent it, here it is) On 5/19/2010 11:55 PM, Dale Ogilvie wrote: > > Yes, the release gap is an issue for me as well. Hence this email trail > :-) > > Parallelism is achieved for

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-21 Thread André Warnier
Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale, On 5/20/2010 6:40 PM, André Warnier wrote: Dale Ogilvie wrote: ... A free gift can vary greatly in it's final value, depending on it's actual usefulness and how many hidden costs it brings with it. I think tha

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-21 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale, On 5/20/2010 6:40 PM, André Warnier wrote: > Dale Ogilvie wrote: >> > ... >> >> A free gift can vary greatly in it's final value, depending on it's >> actual usefulness and how many hidden costs it brings with it. >> > I think that now you are

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread André Warnier
Dale Ogilvie wrote: ... A free gift can vary greatly in it's final value, depending on it's actual usefulness and how many hidden costs it brings with it. I think that now you are *really* pushing it. People have been blacklisted from this list, and have had their Tomcat download license

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Dale Ogilvie
27;s actual usefulness and how many hidden costs it brings with it. -Original Message- From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Friday, 21 May 2010 10:05 a.m. To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux Hi. I think in all of this, you may be overlo

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] > Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux > > In my country, there is a proverb : if you receive a horse (as a > present, for free), then you should not check his teeth. Slightly different in English-based cultures: Don'

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread André Warnier
at Users List Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux I agree with Hassan, our reasons to use the tar.gz install method : * in most serious Tomcat environments you need more control over the installation and configuration than the distro managed version offers. * most distro's (especiall

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dave, On 5/19/2010 11:55 PM, Dale Ogilvie wrote: > > Yes, the release gap is an issue for me as well. Hence this email trail > :-) > > Parallelism is achieved for us for other software by package updating > the test/dev server and testing that prio

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Dale Ogilvie
o: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux I agree with Hassan, our reasons to use the tar.gz install method : * in most serious Tomcat environments you need more control over the installation and configuration than the distro managed version offers. * most distro

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hassan, On 5/19/2010 11:07 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Dale Ogilvie > wrote: > >> I'm hoping for something a bit more distro managed. Presumably your >> method means you have to maintain your own init.d scripts and

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 02:03:24PM +1200, Dale Ogilvie wrote: > Hi, > > The current release is 6.0.26, March 2010. > > RHEL5.x is running with Tomcat 5.5. > > Fedora 12 is on 6.0.20, June 2009 vintage. > > Ubuntu 10.04 is on 6.0.24 from Jan 2010. Gentoo doesn't.have.versions.anymore is on 6.0

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-20 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: Pid * [mailto:p...@pidster.com] > Subject: Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux > > Your problem isn't, at first glance, a Tomcat problem. Almost, if not > all of your recent problems have been to do with JSF. You will be more > likely to find the specific

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Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

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Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Harry Metske
I agree with Hassan, our reasons to use the tar.gz install method : * in most serious Tomcat environments you need more control over the installation and configuration than the distro managed version offers. * most distro's (especially RHEL) are lagging behind, so you don't get the latest stuff y

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Thad Humphries
Exactly right, Hassan. I think it is extremely unwise to leave any critical portion of one's system--personal, development, or production--at the hands of the distro. I've used Linux for over a decade, and install Apache, Java, Tomcat, etc. by hand. ALWAYS. Oft times I build Apache myself. On Wed,

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Dale Ogilvie wrote: > I'm pleased to hear that the upgrade process is trivial with your setup. > If you're going to have special practices, they might as well be simple. Since I don't use package management for anything important, it's not "special practice" :-)

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Dale Ogilvie
Yes, the release gap is an issue for me as well. Hence this email trail :-) Parallelism is achieved for us for other software by package updating the test/dev server and testing that prior to performing the same updates on prod. There is no need for us to have two versions of tomcat running on t

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Dale Ogilvie wrote: > I'm hoping for something a bit more distro managed. Presumably your > method means you have to maintain your own init.d scripts and use the > "tar xzvf" method of installation, outside of your distro package > management system. I don't reca

RE: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Dale Ogilvie
Hassan Schroeder wrote: > I watch this list for announcements of new releases and install them :-) I'm hoping for something a bit more distro managed. Presumably your method means you have to maintain your own init.d scripts and use the "tar xzvf" method of installation, outside of your distro pa

Re: Keeping tomcat up-to-date on linux

2010-05-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Dale Ogilvie wrote: > What do people do to keep their tomcat patched up? I watch this list for announcements of new releases and install them :-) Of course, reading the release notes lets me decide how urgently that needs to happen and/or how much testing I want