Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
David kerber wrote on 05/17/2010 12:43:17 PM: > On 5/17/2010 2:19 PM, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > > "Caldarale, Charles R" wrote on 05/17/2010 > > 12:14:21 PM: > > > >>> From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] > >>>

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Martin Gainty
us ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 14:43:17 -0400 > From: dcker...@verizon.net > To: users@tomcat.apache.org > Subject: Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > On 5/17/2010 2:19 PM, peter_f...@blm.gov w

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread David kerber
On 5/17/2010 2:19 PM, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: "Caldarale, Charles R" wrote on 05/17/2010 12:14:21 PM: From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] Subject: RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions The only 100% secure system is one that is turned off. Not sure

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] > Subject: RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > Unplugged then? Unplugged and encased in lead, perhaps. Preferably in a dark cellar, with no stairs, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disu

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
"Caldarale, Charles R" wrote on 05/17/2010 12:14:21 PM: > > From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] > > Subject: RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > > > The only 100% secure system is one that is turned off. > > Not sure even

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Jeffrey Janner
Unplugged then? With today's wake-on-lan, always on NIC connectors, I can see what you mean. -Original Message- From: Caldarale, Charles R [mailto:chuck.caldar...@unisys.com] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:14 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup ac

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: Jeffrey Janner [mailto:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] > Subject: RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > The only 100% secure system is one that is turned off. Not sure even that is sufficient... - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Jeffrey Janner
The only 100% secure system is one that is turned off. -Original Message- From: peter_f...@blm.gov [mailto:peter_f...@blm.gov] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 1:09 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions Well, it's the usual thing - you can h

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
Well, it's the usual thing - you can have a system that's completely open but gets cratered because some duffer clicked the wrong button. Or you can have a system that's 100% secure, but nobody can use it because it's 100% secure. Or you can have something that's "secure enough" to protect from acc

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Pid
On 17/05/2010 18:14, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > Pid wrote on 05/17/2010 10:55:06 AM: > >> On 17/05/2010 17:48, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: >>> To clarify what I'm up to here - we have an in-house doc that suggests >>> switching off autoDeploy and deployOnStartup on production systems, and >> >> Do

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
Pid wrote on 05/17/2010 10:55:06 AM: > On 17/05/2010 17:48, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > > To clarify what I'm up to here - we have an in-house doc that suggests > > switching off autoDeploy and deployOnStartup on production systems, and > > Does it explain why it makes this suggestion? To preven

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Pid
On 17/05/2010 17:48, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > To clarify what I'm up to here - we have an in-house doc that suggests > switching off autoDeploy and deployOnStartup on production systems, and Does it explain why it makes this suggestion? > I've been testing those recommendations on an experimen

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
To clarify what I'm up to here - we have an in-house doc that suggests switching off autoDeploy and deployOnStartup on production systems, and I've been testing those recommendations on an experimental setup. What the in-house doc forgets to say is what you've explained here (and which answers my o

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Mark Thomas
On 17/05/2010 17:33, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > Mark Thomas wrote on 05/17/2010 10:12:20 AM: >> Not pointless. It limits deployed apps to *only* those defined in >> server.xml. > > Ok - so if I want my app to start I have to place the context element in > server.xml. I would have thought that an

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
Mark Thomas wrote on 05/17/2010 10:12:20 AM: > On 17/05/2010 16:56, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > > > > I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup setting is supposed to > > do, especially when it's set to "false". > > It controls if apps are deployed when Tomcat starts. > > > The basic que

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Pid
On 17/05/2010 16:56, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > > I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup setting is supposed to > do, especially when it's set to "false". > > The basic question is, what is the purpose of this setting? It would appear > that if you set it to "false", then applications

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
Notes inline... "Caldarale, Charles R" wrote on 05/17/2010 10:11:47 AM: > > From: peter_f...@blm.gov [mailto:peter_f...@blm.gov] > > Subject: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > > > > > I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup s

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
Oops, forgot to say. I'm on 6.0.26. The online documentation I read is at: http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/config/host.html#Automatic%20Application%20Deployment ...which is very clear about what happens with deployOnStartup="true" but as far as I can see gives no details about what's supp

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Mark Thomas
On 17/05/2010 16:56, peter_f...@blm.gov wrote: > > I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup setting is supposed to > do, especially when it's set to "false". It controls if apps are deployed when Tomcat starts. > The basic question is, what is the purpose of this setting? It would appea

RE: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
> From: peter_f...@blm.gov [mailto:peter_f...@blm.gov] > Subject: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions > > > I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup setting is > supposed to do, especially when it's set to "false". It defers webapp deployme

Re: Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Konstantin Kolinko
2010/5/17 : > There's a couple of places in documentation (online, and also in the > O'Reilly book) where it says you shouldn't have hot-deployment AND > deployOnStart enabled because it can result in applications being deployed > twice 1. For what Tomcat version? 2. Where online? Is it anywhere

Misunderstanding deployOnStartup actions

2010-05-17 Thread Peter_Ford
I'm a bit confused about what the deployOnStartup setting is supposed to do, especially when it's set to "false". The basic question is, what is the purpose of this setting? It would appear that if you set it to "false", then applications can only be started by being hot-deployed, which seems rat