Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Thank you for sharing your experience. I am surprised to see no one reply your message. For the thread, here's what I have to say. The original poster shared some frank and sincere experience and feeling. However, it lacks sorely the technicality of the comparison. For example, no links

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Hello, I think will have to make amends for my post where I recommended to "consider steering clear of J2EE". Thus deepening the off-topicness. Jess Holle said it: This affects things ranging from surveys of developers asking "Which of the following do you use? (a) J2EE, (b) .NET, ..." where d

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] > > > > I want to mentioned that it is not important which API is > > used from JAVA to say that your application is a J2EE > > application or not. The only two thinks which count are

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

--- Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/30/06, Tim Lucia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hibernate is not J2EE "based". It just so happens > it provides a EJB-free > > solution to a servlet container environment. > Hibernate does not require > > J2EE. > > I think hibernate supports

RE: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:18 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] On 1/30/06, Tim Lucia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hibernate is not J2EE "based". It just so happens it provides a > EJB-free solution

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

On 1/30/06, Tim Lucia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hibernate is not J2EE "based". It just so happens it provides a EJB-free > solution to a servlet container environment. Hibernate does not require > J2EE. I think hibernate supports JTA and JDBC? Ok, JDBC isn't J2EE since 3.0 but was before. (Ac

RE: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

> From: Hans Sowa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] > > I want to mentioned that it is not important which API is > used from JAVA to say that your application is a J2EE > application or not. The only two thinks which count are >

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Hi all I want to mentioned that it is not important which API is used from JAVA to say that your application is a J2EE application or not. The only two thinks which count are 1) it is written in java (of course) and 2) it is a distributed application. The API itsels like EJB, JNDI, JDBC, Java Ser

RE: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

> From: Jess Holle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Nice terminology quandry that the app server marketeers have > dug for us. > > They've painted a world of "J2EE == EJB" and "J2EE == the only (good) > way to do Java in the enterprise" and transitively "EJB == the only > (good) way to do Java in t

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Tim Lucia wrote: Hibernate is not J2EE "based". It just so happens it provides a EJB-free solution to a servlet container environment. Hibernate does not require J2EE. Nice terminology quandry that the app server marketeers have dug for us. They've painted a world of "J2EE == EJB" and "J2E

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 07:32 -0600, Jess Holle wrote: > Leon Rosenberg wrote: > > On 1/30/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Leon Rosenberg wrote: > >> > >> | On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> | > Another 2c: When doi

RE: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Users List Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] On 1/30/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Leon Rosenberg wrote: > > | On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > Another 2c: When doing Java,

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Leon Rosenberg wrote: On 1/30/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Leon Rosenberg wrote: | On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay clear of J2EE. I have | > heard it's the Wooly Ma

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

On 1/30/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Leon Rosenberg wrote: > > | On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay clear of J2EE. I have > | > heard it's the Wooly Mammoth framework and

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Leon Rosenberg wrote: | On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay clear of J2EE. I have | > heard it's the Wooly Mammoth framework and I have so far worked happily | > without it. I recommend a loo

RE: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Even early in the C++ world, we still had to write linked lists explicitly. At least I am not forced to use IIS and SQLServer. -Original Message- From: Tony LaPaso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:59 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: From Java to C#

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] For a little bit of who really cares and what's it really matter anyways: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

- Original Message - From: "David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: RE: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] David Thielen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote My conclusion be

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

For a little bit of who really cares and what's it really matter anyways: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/haroldcarr/archive/2006/01/introducing_jav.html ;-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mai

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

> Interesting. Although I don't consider blogs a source of worthwild information on anything (and yes, that includes my own!), I've always found a wealth of VB knowledge on the web. Probably not quite as much as Java, but still. I would strongly encourage every academic institution to repla

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

job making more than I am! I wouldn't be surprised if VB is the next COBOL in that regard :) Frank Thanks Frank, M- - Original Message - From: "Frank W. Zammetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:09 PM Su

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

(in general) and the OOD world (specifically) Thanks Frank, M- - Original Message - From: "Frank W. Zammetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] Mar

RE: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

--- "David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay > clear of J2EE. I have > heard it's the Wooly Mammoth framework and I have so > far worked happily > without it. I recommend a look at Bruce Tate's > pamphlet here: > >

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Martin Gainty wrote: we just inherited some vb code that accomplishes a cryptography algorithm just to get this to run under windoze took me 4 hours..the lack of VB doc was the blocking factor or maybe its probably because Im not a VB guy and never will be btw that same functionality can be a

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

On 1/29/06, David Tonhofer, m-plify S.A. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another 2c: When doing Java, you may want to stay clear of J2EE. I have > heard it's the Wooly Mammoth framework and I have so far worked happily > without it. I recommend a look at Bruce Tate's pamphlet here: > >

RE: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

David Thielen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote My conclusion between the two (now that .NET 2.0 has shipped) is: Portable - java Otherwise - .NET. A lot of the .NET advantage comes from the fact that the entire stack is from Microsoft so it all just works and is easy to use. Thanks - dave S'probably

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

unday, January 29, 2006 7:44 AM Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] Hi Tony It's funny about your put words in our mouths... Is there written somewhere in this thread that Bill Gates is Satan or something like that ? What was said, and I think it's true, is that Microsoft (or

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Hi Tony It's funny about your put words in our mouths... Is there written somewhere in this thread that Bill Gates is Satan or something like that ? What was said, and I think it's true, is that Microsoft (or Sun or IBM, if that matters) is a company trying to make money, whereas open source proj

RE: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

ntire stack is from Microsoft so it all just works and is easy to use. Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 -Original Message- From: David Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:09 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: From Java

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

ting code instead? -- Tony LaPaso - Original Message - From: "David Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] Most of the observations I've seen in this thread are

Re: Features comparisons for Tomcat (was Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic])

ears in Java, which I've found to be a little depressing and exciting at the same time. -- Tony LaPaso - Original Message - From: "Richard Schilling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:37 PM Subject: Features c

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] Most of the observations I've seen in this thread are based on Microsoft's marketing. Something that should be taken with more than just a grain of salt. Just lo

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

wn. From what I've seen, .NET beats J2EE. I'm sorry to those of you who think Bill Gates in Satan incarnate. This is just one person's opinion. -- Tony LaPaso - Original Message - From: "Michael Scano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List&q

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Frank W. Zammetti wrote: >On Fri, January 27, 2006 8:11 am, David Smith said: > > >>I will say I have used their products to develop solutions in the past >>and it's ... well ... interesting. The stuff works well when you know >>how to use it. Unfortunately I found their docs no where near th

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

On Fri, January 27, 2006 8:11 am, David Smith said: > I will say I have used their products to develop solutions in the past > and it's ... well ... interesting. The stuff works well when you know > how to use it. Unfortunately I found their docs no where near the > quality of Tomcat or Java whic

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Most of the observations I've seen in this thread are based on Microsoft's marketing. Something that should be taken with more than just a grain of salt. Just look at what they did at their own anti-trust trial here in the US a couple of years ago when they purposely sabbotaged comparison tests o

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Regarding the Petshop, there was a great deal of discussion about it on TSS a few months ago. In fact, apparently, the petshop on the Java side wasn't designed to be efficient, just a show case. Which, we agree, is quite a shame. However, further points where disturbing : - versions of the databa

Features comparisons for Tomcat (was Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic])

It's kind of nice to see this discussion on this board, because it can serve as a way for Tomcat developers to think about what features really help and what features don't. I'm going to avoid M$ bashing cause it's not productive, but I think it's wise to look at the effect "creature features"

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Hey Tony, Thanks for sharing your experiences with .NET. I appreciate your candor and taking the time. One thing I didn't see you mention in the core support for XML. Do you know how much of an advantage this is compared to the the way in which Java works with XML. BTW, I visited the dotnet teams

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

--- Tony LaPaso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Certainly -- $5,000 and it's yours! > -- > Tony LaPaso > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Leon Rosenberg" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Tomcat Users List" > S

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Certainly -- $5,000 and it's yours! -- Tony LaPaso - Original Message - From: "Leon Rosenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tomcat Users List" Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:00 AM Subject: Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic] I've been p

RE: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

nce and the career span that I do you'll start to see these things as I do and look for a way out. George Sexton MH Software, Inc. http://www.mhsoftware.com/ Voice: 303 438 9585 > -Original Message- > From: Tony LaPaso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, January 24

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Hi Tony, am what you could call a junior programmer (less than 3 years expérience un j2ee) I'll just respond to a few java related point, as i don't know .NET - You say primitives are not nullable. If you need a nullable integer, use java.lang.Integer. - Operators overloading is something i con

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

> > I've been programming in Java/J2EE for the past 8+ years, most of this > time as a contractor for several companies on many J2EE projects. I > even have a small (and now hopelessly out of date) Java web site that > I've maintained for the past 5+ years at www.absolutejava.com, which > will be r

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Microsoft Web Development Experience is truely more pleasant than that of Java, and i have known a number of people do the switch based on that, though they usually like to support it with some additional arguments like u did, but at the end of the day, the ease of development and that every

Re: From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

You're right Tony, this posting is painfully off-topic for this list. Perhaps along with your new C# programming skills you can get work as an advertising writer for Microsoft. But, having said that, I would like to point out that Microsoft dumps a lot of money into researching and developing

From Java to C#, ASP.NET [Off Topic]

Hi all, I should mention that this post is a bit off topic. If you hate Microsoft then stop reading now and I'm sorry for wasting your time. I don't own stock in Microsoft, I don't know Bill Gates and nobody paid me or asked me to say the things I wrote below. These are just my opinions based