Re: whitelist_auth and how to test

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Cole
On 10 Oct 2016, at 8:42, David Jones wrote: UCE is different from spam and users should be able to unsubscribe from UCE. The precise definition of "spam" has been a matter of debate among knowledgeable, thoughtful, and well-intentioned people for over 20 years. There are a handful of times p

Re: whitelist_auth and how to test

2016-10-10 Thread Bill Cole
On 9 Oct 2016, at 16:03 +0400, David Jones wrote: The sender is sendgrid.net, using an Envelope-From that contains a random ID, In my logs and mail corpus, there's strong indication that SendGrid Envelope-Froms are not random at all. For a constant target address and RFC5322From domain tuple

Re: whitelist_auth and how to test

2016-10-10 Thread David Jones
>I suppose it depends on definition of "trustworthy". >I had the experience with SendGrid, of them adding new servers without >rDNS information. I called in and astoundingly enough, their "technical" >person >explained to me DNS didn't matter, and he had no interest in addressing it. This is ma

Re: whitelist_auth and how to test

2016-10-09 Thread Vincent Fox
essing it. A trustworthy operation, always takes care of the plumbing. From: David Jones Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 1:03:42 PM To: Alex; SA Mailing list Subject: Re: whitelist_auth and how to test >The sender is sendgrid.net, using an Envelope-From that co

Re: whitelist_auth and how to test

2016-10-09 Thread Alex
Hi, >> The whitelist entry I've created is: >> whitelist_auth bo...@azhdi.com >> >> The email passes SPF, but DKIM apparently isn't fully authenticated, >> as it doesn't contain the DKIM_VALID_AU. >> >> The sender is sendgrid.net, using an Envelope-From that contains a >> random ID, making it impo

Re: whitelist_auth and how to test

2016-10-09 Thread bOnK
On 9-10-2016 21:38, Alex wrote: Hi all, I've been experimenting with penalizing bulk mailers with points, but there's a bulk email that was quarantined that apparently the users actually want, so I'd like to just whitelist it. I've added a whitelist_auth entry with the sender, but testing the e

Re: whitelist_auth and how to test

2016-10-09 Thread David Jones
>The sender is sendgrid.net, using an Envelope-From that contains a >random ID, making it impossible to use the whole address for the >whitelist_auth entry. >It's probably not a good idea to penalize sendgrid.net with 1.5 >points, but I'm more interested in how to properly whitelist mails >like t

whitelist_auth and how to test

2016-10-09 Thread Alex
Hi all, I've been experimenting with penalizing bulk mailers with points, but there's a bulk email that was quarantined that apparently the users actually want, so I'd like to just whitelist it. I've added a whitelist_auth entry with the sender, but testing the email afterwards doesn't show it's