Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-30 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:35:31 -0800, Bob Amen wrote > And you said "an aggressive greet delay." I tried > that and found too many false positives with legitimate mail servers > that are poorly configured. The only recourse for those false > positives is another means of communication (eg. telepho

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-29 Thread John Rudd
On Nov 28, 2004, at 8:35 PM, Bob Amen wrote: John Rudd wrote: On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Bob Amen wrote: It's very depressing and getting worse, according to my mail servers' statistics. Hm. My mail servers' stats say it's getting better. For example, at home, I think I've only actually seen

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-29 Thread Bob Amen
John Rudd wrote: On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Bob Amen wrote: It's very depressing and getting worse, according to my mail servers' statistics. Hm. My mail servers' stats say it's getting better. For example, at home, I think I've only actually seen 1 spam message in the last month. I think

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-29 Thread Chris
On Sunday 28 November 2004 08:18 pm, you wrote: > > Chris > > > > I would expect to see a cron entry in the syslog. Your snippet did > > > not show anything from cron. Therefore I have my suspicions that > > > cron is not running and that the logs you saw transferring mail was > > > from somethin

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-29 Thread Chris
On Sunday 28 November 2004 07:23 pm, Bob Proulx wrote: > > I would expect to see a cron entry in the syslog. Your snippet did > not show anything from cron. Therefore I have my suspicions that cron > is not running and that the logs you saw transferring mail was from > something else. But perhap

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-29 Thread Bob Proulx
Chris wrote: I didn't think my "listed in sorbs" and "reply from sorbs" threads would net > so many replies or so much help. What I guess caused all this is that I > was having results of cronjobs sent to me via my ISP. Welcome to the 'net. :-} > Aga

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread Steve Sobol
David Brodbeck wrote: make sure in writing before you sign anything that your ip(s) will never be listed by the ISP as res/dynamic/dialup ip. If they do they may be in breach of contract (and you would need a lawyer for resolution.) I doubt any ISP would agree to a contract term like that, beca

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread Chris Edwards
| DUHL is intended to be used on INCOMMING mail only - on the host where | ones MX records point to. I may be missing something, but I think the OP was *not* complaining about lack of ability to send mail over the Internet from a DUHL / dynamic IP, but rather, failing foul of a mis-configured SA s

reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread Chris
I didn't think my "listed in sorbs" and "reply from sorbs" threads would net so many replies or so much help. What I guess caused all this is that I was having results of cronjobs sent to me via my ISP. Again, I'll reinterate, I don't run a mail server,

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread JamesDR
Reread it, i said *YOUR* ISP marking *YOUR* leased IP(s) as *DUL/DYN/RES* read before replying (OH yes, ISP'S *DO* this kind of thing to enforce their polices.) :-D And yes, an isp who does not agree, is sheit imo, if they're too lazy to classify their ips, move along, get sat, cable etc. The

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread John Rudd
(my choice of comments to reply to make my position sound a lot more at odds with your overall post than I am, but there were a two parts I just had to respond to) On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Bob Amen wrote: It's very depressing and getting worse, according to my mail servers' statistics. Hm.

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread David Brodbeck
JamesDR wrote: make sure in writing before you sign anything that your ip(s) will never be listed by the ISP as res/dynamic/dialup ip. If they do they may be in breach of contract (and you would need a lawyer for resolution.) I doubt any ISP would agree to a contract term like that, because the

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread JamesDR
DSL, Cable, T1, Fiber, etc. your high speed connection type shouldn't be blacklisted, your service level should, ie dynamic residential line. A business class customer paying for static ip(s) on a (a/s)dsl line should not have their ip's blacklisted. I've seen as much spam come from lines where

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread Bob Amen
I realize this is way off topic, but it is important to spam fighting. jdow wrote: On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 10:11:12AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, if I did not miss anything in this thread, the victim HAS a static IP on the cable/dsl link and pays more for the access than d

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread jdow
From: "Nicolas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: 2004 November, 28, Sunday 02:12 Subject: Re: reply from sorbs > On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 10:11:12AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > > > > if I did not miss anything in this thread, the victim HAS

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread Nicolas
On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 10:11:12AM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi, > > if I did not miss anything in this thread, the victim HAS a static IP on the > cable/dsl link and > pays more for the access than dynamic ip would cost with the same provider. > The provider, however, reports a full ip b

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread hamann . w
>> >> On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 04:43:37PM -0800, Bob Amen wrote: >> >I must disagree. Unfortunately the number of responsible people on >> > the other end of cable and DSL modems is vanishingly small compared to >> > the number of zombie machines that are spewing spam and more viruses. On >>

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread Nicolas
On Sat, Nov 27, 2004 at 04:43:37PM -0800, Bob Amen wrote: >I must disagree. Unfortunately the number of responsible people on > the other end of cable and DSL modems is vanishingly small compared to > the number of zombie machines that are spewing spam and more viruses. On > a typical day we

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread Chris
On Saturday 27 November 2004 05:10 pm, jdow wrote: > And indeed, it should only be used on mail that is incoming from the > Internet. Local mail should bypass the SpamAssassin checks. That way > cron job emails to root will not get filtered. That does not, however, > help you with regards to email

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-28 Thread Bob Amen
jdow wrote: It means your address is in a set of DSL addresses listed as Dial Up addresses. Ye verily thou art stuck in the fork. [...] (See why I do not like such broad brush black lists? They false alarm BADLY at times they should not, far too many times.) I must disagree. Unfortunately

Re: reply from sorbs

2004-11-27 Thread jdow
It means your address is in a set of DSL addresses listed as Dial Up addresses. Ye verily thou art stuck in the fork. And indeed, it should only be used on mail that is incoming from the Internet. Local mail should bypass the SpamAssassin checks. That way cron job emails to root will not get filte

reply from sorbs

2004-11-27 Thread Chris
Here is the reply I got from sorbs.net when I asked about my ip being listed there, now, would someone be so kind as to explain to me what the reply means. Note: I'm not running a mail server, as I said, all I was doing was trying to get fetchmail > procmail to work to take some of the load of