Re: The trouble with Bayes

2005-05-06 Thread Paul Boven
Hi Kevin, everyone, Kevin Peuhkurinen wrote: Paul Boven wrote: but my goal is to find a way of doing this that is independent of the rest of the mail-system, and can then become an integral part of SA. Any suggestions on how to do this? One of SA's strengths is that it is designed to be a modu

Re: The trouble with Bayes

2005-05-06 Thread Jim Maul
Paul Boven wrote: Hi Jim, Jim Maul wrote: Paul Boven wrote: Bayes is a very powerfull system, especially for recognising site-specific ham. But at this moment, apx. 30% of the spam that slips trough my filter has 'autolearn=ham' set. And another 60% of the spam slipping trough has a negative Ba

Re: The trouble with Bayes

2005-05-06 Thread Kevin Peuhkurinen
Paul Boven wrote: Hi Kevin, everyone, I agree that this would be difficult, but right now we're all facing that difficulty on our own, so to speak. A more comprehensive Wiki would help, but my goal is to find a way of doing this that is independent of the rest of the mail-system, and can then be

Re: The trouble with Bayes

2005-05-06 Thread Paul Boven
Hi Kevin, everyone, Kevin Peuhkurinen wrote: 2.) There should be a framework within SpamAssassin that makes it easy for end-users to submit their spam for training. Currently, there are all kinds of scripts available outside the main SpamAssassin distribution (I've written my own, too) that atte

Re: The trouble with Bayes

2005-05-06 Thread Paul Boven
Hi Jim, Jim Maul wrote: Paul Boven wrote: Bayes is a very powerfull system, especially for recognising site-specific ham. But at this moment, apx. 30% of the spam that slips trough my filter has 'autolearn=ham' set. And another 60% of the spam slipping trough has a negative Bayes score to help

Re: The trouble with Bayes

2005-05-06 Thread Jim Maul
Paul Boven wrote: Hi everyone, Here are some observations on using Bayes and autolearning I would like to share, and have your input on. Autolearning is turining out to be more trouble than it's worth. Although it helps the system to get to know the ham we send and get, and learn some of the sp

Re: The trouble with Bayes

2005-05-06 Thread Kevin Peuhkurinen
Paul Boven wrote: Hi everyone, Here are some observations on using Bayes and autolearning I would like to share, and have your input on. Okay! Some suggestions on improving the performance of the Bayes system: 1.) Messages that have been manually submitted should have a higher 'weight' in the Bay

Re: The trouble with Bayes

2005-05-06 Thread James R
Paul Boven wrote: Hi everyone, Here are some observations on using Bayes and autolearning I would like to share, and have your input on. Autolearning is turining out to be more trouble than it's worth. Although it helps the system to get to know the ham we send and get, and learn some of the sp

Re: The trouble with Bayes

2005-05-06 Thread Mike Grice
On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 14:28 +0200, Paul Boven wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Here are some observations on using Bayes and autolearning I would like > to share, and have your input on. > > Autolearning is turining out to be more trouble than it's worth. > Although it helps the system to get to know

The trouble with Bayes

2005-05-06 Thread Paul Boven
Hi everyone, Here are some observations on using Bayes and autolearning I would like to share, and have your input on. Autolearning is turining out to be more trouble than it's worth. Although it helps the system to get to know the ham we send and get, and learn some of the spams on its own, it