Re: Tarpitting (was Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication)

2013-08-19 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013, David F. Skoll wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:36:14 -0700 (PDT) John Hardin wrote: [...] In addition, tarpitting is at least partly intended to help *others*, by getting the attacker stuck before it moves on to the next target. OK; I guess it's just a difference in mind

Re: Tarpitting (was Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication)

2013-08-19 Thread David F. Skoll
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:36:14 -0700 (PDT) John Hardin wrote: [...] > In addition, tarpitting is at least partly intended to help *others*, > by getting the attacker stuck before it moves on to the next target. OK; I guess it's just a difference in mindset. I approach the problem with the follow

Re: Tarpitting (was Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication)

2013-08-19 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013, David F. Skoll wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:52:15 -0700 (PDT) John Hardin wrote: Have you considered TCP Tarpitting instead of just blocking them? Blocking them doesn't actually *punish* them. Getting their MTAs *stuck* for hours or days does. IMO, tarpitting is usele

Re: Tarpitting (was Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication)

2013-08-19 Thread John Levine
>It seems to me that greylisting and TCP tarpitting catch both sides of the >problem. Greylisting blocks junk from the single-attempt zombies, and TCP >tarpitting will catch the ones who are persistent offenders. Maybe, probably not. Modern MTAs, even the ones that are not spambots, can run hun

Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication

2013-08-19 Thread Marc Perkel
On 8/19/2013 7:31 AM, John Hardin wrote: On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Len Conrad wrote: Came up with a cool trick that seems to be working well after running for several months. I do the same by harvesting the IPs that fail SMTP AUTH a number of times, and then if more than a number of IPs in a Cla

Re: Tarpitting (was Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication)

2013-08-19 Thread David F. Skoll
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:52:15 -0700 (PDT) John Hardin wrote: > >> Have you considered TCP Tarpitting instead of just blocking them? > >> Blocking them doesn't actually *punish* them. Getting their MTAs > >> *stuck* for hours or days does. > > IMO, tarpitting is useless. When you have hundreds, t

Re: Tarpitting (was Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication)

2013-08-19 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013, David F. Skoll wrote: On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:31:33 -0700 (PDT) John Hardin wrote: Have you considered TCP Tarpitting instead of just blocking them? Blocking them doesn't actually *punish* them. Getting their MTAs *stuck* for hours or days does. IMO, tarpitting is use

Tarpitting (was Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication)

2013-08-19 Thread David F. Skoll
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:31:33 -0700 (PDT) John Hardin wrote: > Have you considered TCP Tarpitting instead of just blocking them? > Blocking them doesn't actually *punish* them. Getting their MTAs > *stuck* for hours or days does. IMO, tarpitting is useless. When you have hundreds, thousands or

Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication

2013-08-19 Thread John Hardin
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013, Len Conrad wrote: Came up with a cool trick that seems to be working well after running for several months. I do the same by harvesting the IPs that fail SMTP AUTH a number of times, and then if more than a number of IPs in a ClassC, I block the entire ClassC. I do th

Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication

2013-08-18 Thread Len Conrad
>Came up with a cool trick that seems to be working well after running for >several months. I do the same by harvesting the IPs that fail SMTP AUTH a number of times, and then if more than a number of IPs in a ClassC, I block the entire ClassC. I don't care about the body of the msgs they AUTH

Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication

2013-08-18 Thread Marc Perkel
On 8/18/2013 4:34 PM, Alex wrote: Hi, Came up with a cool trick that seems to be working well after running for several months. I have several servers that are used for spam filtering and no authenticated connections for sending email. However I advertise that I have authen

Re: Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication

2013-08-18 Thread Alex
Hi, Came up with a cool trick that seems to be working well after running for > several months. > > I have several servers that are used for spam filtering and no > authenticated connections for sending email. However I advertise that I > have authentication just to attract those who would try to

Spam harvesting using Fake Authentication

2013-08-18 Thread Marc Perkel
Came up with a cool trick that seems to be working well after running for several months. I have several servers that are used for spam filtering and no authenticated connections for sending email. However I advertise that I have authentication just to attract those who would try to hack pass