>
> When running site wide, how do you get ham to train bayes? I
> can manage spam by spam reporting and such, but getting ham
> without breaching the privacy of our users is my problem.
>
> raj
>
Raj,
one potential option is to setup bayes autolearn thresholds with proper
scores for your
On 12/16/2009 9:42 AM, Rajkumar S wrote:
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Yet Another Ninja wrote:
I don't do any "manual" training, ever. SA's butler, "autolearn", does it
for me.
bayes_auto_learn 1
In this case if a new spam comes and it does not score on any other
rules, Would't this be
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Yet Another Ninja wrote:
> I don't do any "manual" training, ever. SA's butler, "autolearn", does it
> for me.
>
> bayes_auto_learn 1
In this case if a new spam comes and it does not score on any other
rules, Would't this be classified as a ham? Also I need bayes
On 12/15/2009 12:49 PM, LuKreme wrote:
On 15-Dec-2009, at 09:12, RW wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:44:50 -0500
I'm exactly the opposite, hardly any of the lists I subscribe to do
that, and I find it annoying when it's done. Every list mail comes with
a List-Id header so you can filter, tag or wh
On 12/15/2009 9:54 AM, Benny Pedersen wrote:
On tir 15 dec 2009 15:44:50 CET, Jeff Koch wrote
in has a tag. A tag of two characters would allow users to quickly
identify the email as coming from the SA mailing list and decide
whether the email is worth opening.
in the header:
List-Id:
in s
On 12/16/2009 8:24 AM, Rajkumar S wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Yet Another Ninja wrote:
even using site wide, autolearning will help your detection a LOT.
Don't underestimate it...
When running site wide, how do you get ham to train bayes? I can
manage spam by spam reporting and su
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Yet Another Ninja wrote:
> even using site wide, autolearning will help your detection a LOT.
> Don't underestimate it...
When running site wide, how do you get ham to train bayes? I can
manage spam by spam reporting and such, but getting ham without
breaching the
On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:55, Jeff Koch wrote:
Instead of trying to make points why not read the whole thread? As I
said in a prior response - not everyone has management control over
the mailserver they use to get SA list mail.
You do not need 'management control' over a mailserver to filter
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, LuKreme wrote:
As you may have noticed, I've got my procmail set to insert one (as
seen above). But this has the unfortunate side-effect of messing with
threading in some threaded mail clients and archives :(
I just see "Subject: Re: Re: Spam from…"
Changing the subject
Instead of trying to make points why not read the whole thread? As I said
in a prior response - not everyone has management control over the
mailserver they use to get SA list mail.
At 01:01 PM 12/15/2009, Toni Mueller wrote:
On Tue, 15.12.2009 at 12:52:44 -0500, Jeff Koch
wrote:
> Of c
Charles Gregory wrote on Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:12:41 -0500 (EST):
> I imagine this same thinking applies to any number of people using a
> 'basic' mail client and not bothering to 'sort' mail into alternate
> delivery folders which they must then 'remember' to read.
If you don't sort away hig
On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Jeff Koch wrote:
> As I said not everyone controls the mailserver they get their list mail from.
Then why are they on a mailing list for people who run mail servers?
Chris
-
Chris Owen
On tir 15 dec 2009 18:52:44 CET, Jeff Koch wrote
Of course an iPhone can see IMAP folders. But what's going to sort
mail into folders when I'm traveling for a week and the office PC is
turned off?
never tryed a google email at gmail ?
well sieve is the answer, not the clients problem you ha
As I said not everyone controls the mailserver they get their list mail from.
At 12:55 PM 12/15/2009, LuKreme wrote:
On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:52, Jeff Koch wrote:
> At 12:41 PM 12/15/2009, Benny Pedersen wrote:
>> open your eyes and see more, both the above smartphones above can
>> handle imap ju
On Tue, 15.12.2009 at 12:52:44 -0500, Jeff Koch
wrote:
> Of course an iPhone can see IMAP folders. But what's going to sort mail
> into folders when I'm traveling for a week and the office PC is turned
> off?
The server on which the imap server runs?
Kind regards,
--Toni++
Hi,
You use the mailserver -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_%28mail_filtering_language%29
And all are happy and can do what they want ... add the tag to the subject
... remove it.
Personal pref can be made ...
mvh
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Jeff Koch wrote:
>
> Of course an iPhone c
On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:52, Jeff Koch wrote:
> At 12:41 PM 12/15/2009, Benny Pedersen wrote:
>> open your eyes and see more, both the above smartphones above can
>> handle imap just fine, but i just test it from nokia e51, should i
>> prove it ?
> Of course an iPhone can see IMAP folders. But what's
On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:22, Jeff Koch wrote:
> At 11:12 AM 12/15/2009, RW wrote:
>> I'd find it annoying to look at a list where every single message
>> starts with "[sa-user]".
> How could a two character tag like SA be annoying? You must never use a
> blackberry or iPhone to check your email eit
Of course an iPhone can see IMAP folders. But what's going to sort mail
into folders when I'm traveling for a week and the office PC is turned off?
At 12:41 PM 12/15/2009, Benny Pedersen wrote:
On tir 15 dec 2009 18:22:00 CET, Jeff Koch wrote
How could a two character tag like SA be annoy
On 15-Dec-2009, at 09:44, Charles Gregory wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Jeff Koch wrote:
>> I have to say that it is extremely annoying that this mailing list does not
>> put a tag identifying itself in the subject line. Every other mailing list
>> of a similar technical nature that I participate
On 15-Dec-2009, at 09:12, RW wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:44:50 -0500
> Jeff Koch wrote:
>
>>
>> I have to say that it is extremely annoying that this mailing list
>> does not put a tag identifying itself in the subject line. Every
>> other mailing list of a similar technical nature that I pa
Hi,
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Jeff Koch wrote:
>
> Why be forced into using one mail client? Hey, it's almost 2010 - people
> use multiple devices to check email - smartphones, PDA's, mail to voice,
> webmail, internet cafes. The days of using only one client are long past.
> You can still
On tir 15 dec 2009 18:22:00 CET, Jeff Koch wrote
How could a two character tag like SA be annoying? You must never
use a blackberry or iPhone to check your email either.
open your eyes and see more, both the above smartphones above can
handle imap just fine, but i just test it from nokia e5
Why be forced into using one mail client? Hey, it's almost 2010 - people
use multiple devices to check email - smartphones, PDA's, mail to voice,
webmail, internet cafes. The days of using only one client are long past.
You can still use IMAP on a main PC to keep your email sorted - but why no
How could a two character tag like SA be annoying? You must never use a
blackberry or iPhone to check your email either.
At 11:12 AM 12/15/2009, RW wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:44:50 -0500
Jeff Koch wrote:
>
> I have to say that it is extremely annoying that this mailing list
> does not p
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Toni Mueller wrote:
As you may have noticed, I've got my procmail set to insert one (as seen
above). But this has the unfortunate side-effect of messing with
threading in some threaded mail clients and archives :(
I don't know the abilities of Alpine, but if you use proc
Hi,
On Tue, 15.12.2009 at 11:44:49 -0500, Charles Gregory wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Jeff Koch wrote:
>> I have to say that it is extremely annoying that this mailing list does
>> not put a tag identifying itself in the subject line. Every other
>> mailing list of a similar technical natur
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Matt Garretson wrote:
Heartily agreed. Site-wide bayes here (single database for 2000+ users)
catches 40% of the spam here.
But what is the FP rate? Is it safe for an ISP with a widely varied user
base to use site-wide Bayes?
- Charles
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Jeff Koch wrote:
I have to say that it is extremely annoying that this mailing list does
not put a tag identifying itself in the subject line. Every other
mailing list of a similar technical nature that I participate in has a
tag. A tag of two characters would allow users t
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:44:50 -0500
Jeff Koch wrote:
>
> I have to say that it is extremely annoying that this mailing list
> does not put a tag identifying itself in the subject line. Every
> other mailing list of a similar technical nature that I participate
> in has a tag.
I'm exactly the op
Yet Another Ninja wrote on Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:37:35 +0100:
> even using site wide, autolearning will help your detection a LOT.
Definitely. Been using site-wide for all my servers for years. No
problems.
Kai
--
Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://
On 12/15/2009 10:37 AM, Yet Another Ninja wrote:
> even using site wide, autolearning will help your detection a LOT.
> Don't underestimate it...
Heartily agreed. Site-wide bayes here (single
database for 2000+ users) catches 40% of the spam
here. It could certainly catch more, but the first
On 12/15/2009 4:07 PM, Rajkumar S wrote:
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Matt Garretson
wrote:
Do you use Bayes? Bogofilter (another bayesian filter) catches
those here. The one you posted scored 0.94 here and would have
been dropped.
I am not using bayes as of now, SA is site wide and so
On 15-Dec-2009, at 04:39, Rajkumar S wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Mike Cardwell
> wrote:
>> That particular email was sent from a host in Nigeria connecting to a host
>> in Brazil. The Nigerian host is listed on Barracuda, the SBL and the XBL.
>
> Is there a way to write a rule to ta
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Matt Garretson
wrote:
> Do you use Bayes? Bogofilter (another bayesian filter) catches
> those here. The one you posted scored 0.94 here and would have
> been dropped.
I am not using bayes as of now, SA is site wide and so proper training
is a problem.
raj
On 12/15/2009 9:31 AM, The Doctor wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:55:00PM +0530, Rajkumar S wrote:
>> Occasionally I receive mail from compromised web mails asking user
>> name and password from my users. The source IPs are usually clean (as
>> they are legitimate mail servers) and do not catch
On tir 15 dec 2009 15:44:50 CET, Jeff Koch wrote
in has a tag. A tag of two characters would allow users to quickly
identify the email as coming from the SA mailing list and decide
whether the email is worth opening.
in the header:
List-Id:
in sieve filter:
# spamassassin
if anyo
I have to say that it is extremely annoying that this mailing list does not
put a tag identifying itself in the subject line. Every other mailing list
of a similar technical nature that I participate in has a tag. A tag of two
characters would allow users to quickly identify the email as comin
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:55:00PM +0530, Rajkumar S wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Occasionally I receive mail from compromised web mails asking user
> name and password from my users. The source IPs are usually clean (as
> they are legitimate mail servers) and do not catch any ip based rules.
> Usually one or
On tir 15 dec 2009 08:25:00 CET, Rajkumar S wrote
I have pasted one such (slightly edited) mail at http://pastebin.ca/1715399
http://sa.hege.li/
to me it looks like a gmail user trying to get more users sending
there login and passwords then what ever it really is ?
--
xpoint http://www.u
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Mike Cardwell
wrote:
> That particular email was sent from a host in Nigeria connecting to a host
> in Brazil. The Nigerian host is listed on Barracuda, the SBL and the XBL.
Is there a way to write a rule to tag mails which are hitting web
mails via proxy?
Receiv
On 15/12/2009 07:25, Rajkumar S wrote:
Occasionally I receive mail from compromised web mails asking user
name and password from my users. The source IPs are usually clean (as
they are legitimate mail servers) and do not catch any ip based rules.
Usually one or two mail accounts are used to pump
Hi,
Occasionally I receive mail from compromised web mails asking user
name and password from my users. The source IPs are usually clean (as
they are legitimate mail servers) and do not catch any ip based rules.
Usually one or two mail accounts are used to pump mails via web mail
after authenticat
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