Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-12 Thread RW
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 12:34:25 +0100 Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > >On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:01:21 +0100 > > > >> On 11.11.20 15:41, RW wrote: > On 11.11.20 19:06, RW wrote: > >These two cases share the same "authenticated" primary reputation: > > > > Return-path: c...@example.com > > From: c

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-12 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:01:21 +0100 On 11.11.20 15:41, RW wrote: >Note that without a DKIM pass, SPF is easily spoofed in TxRep. is it? how does that work then? It's implicit in the next bit. >DKIM reputations are identified by a combination of header from >address and signing domain. SPF pa

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-11 Thread RW
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:01:21 +0100 > On 11.11.20 15:41, RW wrote: > >Note that without a DKIM pass, SPF is easily spoofed in TxRep. > > is it? how does that work then? It's implicit in the next bit. > >DKIM reputations are identified by a combination of header from > >address and signing doma

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-11 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2020-11-11 17:01: Martin Gregorie skrev den 2020-11-11 11:02: On Wed, 2020-11-11 at 09:52 +0100, Tobi wrote: On 11.11.20 15:41, RW wrote: Note that without a DKIM pass, SPF is easily spoofed in TxRep. is it? how does that work then? On 11.11.20 17:20, Ben

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-11 Thread Benny Pedersen
Matus UHLAR - fantomas skrev den 2020-11-11 17:01: Martin Gregorie skrev den 2020-11-11 11:02: > On Wed, 2020-11-11 at 09:52 +0100, Tobi wrote: On 11.11.20 15:41, RW wrote: Note that without a DKIM pass, SPF is easily spoofed in TxRep. is it? how does that work then? signedby tracking in

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-11 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Martin Gregorie skrev den 2020-11-11 11:02: > On Wed, 2020-11-11 at 09:52 +0100, Tobi wrote: > I suppose some may find it useful to datestamp entries with the last > time mail was sent to them and remove any addresses that haven't > been sent mail for 'x' days/weeks/months/years but I've never >

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-11 Thread RW
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 11:14:05 +0100 Benny Pedersen wrote: > Martin Gregorie skrev den 2020-11-11 11:02: > > On Wed, 2020-11-11 at 09:52 +0100, Tobi wrote: > > > I suppose some may find it useful to datestamp entries with the last > > time mail was sent to them and remove any addresses that haven

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-11 Thread Benny Pedersen
Martin Gregorie skrev den 2020-11-11 11:02: On Wed, 2020-11-11 at 09:52 +0100, Tobi wrote: I suppose some may find it useful to datestamp entries with the last time mail was sent to them and remove any addresses that haven't been sent mail for 'x' days/weeks/months/years but I've never needed

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-11 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Wed, 2020-11-11 at 09:52 +0100, Tobi wrote: > > If I only had a ready-made list of those important domains. > > If you filter for customer domains then maybe (depending the customer > domain) adding the customer domain to spf checks is worth a look too. > That's easy: keep a database of addres

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-11 Thread Tobi
> If I only had a ready-made list of those important domains. If you filter for customer domains then maybe (depending the customer domain) adding the customer domain to spf checks is worth a look too. On 11/11/20 6:29 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > John Hardin wrote: >> >>> Moreover, after reading

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-10 Thread Victor Sudakov
John Hardin wrote: > > > Moreover, after reading other replies in the thread, I am even begining to > > doubt the wizdom of rejecting hard SPF fails in the MTA (which I do in > > some installations). > > "it depends". > > Doing that for certain domains - like, large banks - would probably be a >

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-05 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020, Victor Sudakov wrote: Moreover, after reading other replies in the thread, I am even begining to doubt the wizdom of rejecting hard SPF fails in the MTA (which I do in some installations). "it depends". Doing that for certain domains - like, large banks - would probably be

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-05 Thread Victor Sudakov
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > > Victor Sudakov skrev den 2020-11-04 15:47: > > > > > > > 0.0 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) > > > Benny Pedersen wrote: feel free to add into local.cf > > > score SPF_FAIL (5)

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-05 Thread Bill Cole
On 5 Nov 2020, at 5:52, Benny Pedersen wrote: Bill Cole skrev den 2020-11-05 04:22: On 4 Nov 2020, at 20:42, Benny Pedersen wrote: Bill Cole skrev den 2020-11-05 00:21: 1. Incorrect SPF records are not rare. Even '-all' records with some permitted IPs. envelope sender changes on nexthop

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Bill Cole skrev den 2020-11-05 04:22: On 4 Nov 2020, at 20:42, Benny Pedersen wrote: Bill Cole skrev den 2020-11-05 00:21: 1. Incorrect SPF records are not rare. Even '-all' records with some permitted IPs. envelope sender changes on nexthop Irrelevant to the problem cited, which is simpl

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Victor Sudakov skrev den 2020-11-04 15:47: > 0.0 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) Benny Pedersen wrote: feel free to add into local.cf score SPF_FAIL (5) (5) (5) (5) this will add 5 points to default score On 05.11.20 18:54, Victor Sudakov wrote:

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-05 Thread Noel Butler
On 05/11/2020 21:54, Victor Sudakov wrote: > An SPF fail is by no means a sure sign of spam. It can be some indicator > of spamicity (as I thought), but not a decisive sign thereof. SPF was never designed to be anti-spam, although on face value it does have that ability given that spammers impers

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-05 Thread Victor Sudakov
RW wrote: > > Please don't hijack existing threads. Oh, sorry about that. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-05 Thread Victor Sudakov
Benny Pedersen wrote: > Victor Sudakov skrev den 2020-11-04 15:47: > > > 0.0 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) > > feel free to add into local.cf > > score SPF_FAIL (5) (5) (5) (5) > > this will add 5 points to default score I

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
Bill Cole skrev den 2020-11-05 04:22: On 4 Nov 2020, at 20:42, Benny Pedersen wrote: Bill Cole skrev den 2020-11-05 00:21: 1. Incorrect SPF records are not rare. Even '-all' records with some permitted IPs. envelope sender changes on nexthop Irrelevant to the problem cited, which is simpl

Fwd: Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
many thanks for read only accounts :/ Original besked Emne: Re: SPF_FAIL Dato: 2020-11-05 09:05 Afsender: "Reindl Harald (privat)" Modtager: Benny Pedersen , users@spamassassin.apache.org Am 05.11.20 um 02:42 schrieb Benny Pedersen: Bill Cole skrev den 2020-1

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-04 Thread Bill Cole
On 4 Nov 2020, at 20:42, Benny Pedersen wrote: Bill Cole skrev den 2020-11-05 00:21: 1. Incorrect SPF records are not rare. Even '-all' records with some permitted IPs. envelope sender changes on nexthop Irrelevant to the problem cited, which is simply incorrect records that fail to list

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-04 Thread Benny Pedersen
Bill Cole skrev den 2020-11-05 00:21: 1. Incorrect SPF records are not rare. Even '-all' records with some permitted IPs. envelope sender changes on nexthop 2. Traditional (/etc/aliases, ~/.forward, etc.) transparent forwarding breaks SPF. envelope sender changes on nexthop nothing is rea

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-04 Thread Bill Cole
On 4 Nov 2020, at 9:47, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Why does SpamAssassin (Debian 10, SpamAssassin 3.4.2) not count an SPF > check fail as a symptom of spam? That's what I see in the spam report: > > 0.0 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match S

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-04 Thread RW
Please don't hijack existing threads. On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 21:47:34 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > Why does SpamAssassin (Debian 10, SpamAssassin 3.4.2) not count an SPF > check fail as a symptom of spam? That's what I see in the spam >

Re: SPF_FAIL

2020-11-04 Thread Benny Pedersen
Victor Sudakov skrev den 2020-11-04 15:47: 0.0 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) feel free to add into local.cf score SPF_FAIL (5) (5) (5) (5) this will add 5 points to default score i just think default score is made for spamass milter users with do

SPF_FAIL

2020-11-04 Thread Victor Sudakov
Dear Colleagues, Why does SpamAssassin (Debian 10, SpamAssassin 3.4.2) not count an SPF check fail as a symptom of spam? That's what I see in the spam report: 0.0 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) No spam points for an SPF fail? And it's even a ha

Re: Difficulty triggering SPF_FAIL

2015-07-16 Thread Kris Deugau
David B Funk wrote: > Kind'a hard to add TXT records to the .in-addr.arpa zone. Maybe it's > possible > but I've never seen it. It's entirely possible to put any type of record in a .in-addr.arpa zone. It doesn't often make much *sense*, but it's legal syntax; a DNS zone is a DNS zone. -kgd, th

Re: Difficulty triggering SPF_FAIL

2015-07-15 Thread David B Funk
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015, @lbutlr wrote: On Jul 15, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Jeremiah Rothschild wrote: On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 07:42:15PM -0500, David B Funk wrote: On Wed, 15 Jul 2015, Jeremiah Rothschild wrote: Hello, I am attempting to trigger SPF_FAIL (or SPF_HELO_FAIL) on a CentOS 6.6 box

Re: Difficulty triggering SPF_FAIL

2015-07-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
Jeremiah Rothschild skrev den 2015-07-16 02:53: Ah. I didn't realize HELO had to be FQDN. Nice catch, David. Thanks! http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_helo_name if using postfix, if its [127.0.0.1] as helo name postfix will accept it, but reject 127.0.0.1

Re: Difficulty triggering SPF_FAIL

2015-07-15 Thread @lbutlr
> On Jul 15, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Jeremiah Rothschild wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 07:42:15PM -0500, David B Funk wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Jul 2015, Jeremiah Rothschild wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am attempting to trigger SPF_FAIL (or SPF_HEL

Re: Difficulty triggering SPF_FAIL

2015-07-15 Thread Jeremiah Rothschild
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 07:42:15PM -0500, David B Funk wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jul 2015, Jeremiah Rothschild wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >I am attempting to trigger SPF_FAIL (or SPF_HELO_FAIL) on a CentOS 6.6 box > >running SA 3.3.1-3. Upon funneling a message through S

Re: Difficulty triggering SPF_FAIL

2015-07-15 Thread David B Funk
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015, Jeremiah Rothschild wrote: Hello, I am attempting to trigger SPF_FAIL (or SPF_HELO_FAIL) on a CentOS 6.6 box running SA 3.3.1-3. Upon funneling a message through SA, however, this is what is occurring: Jul 15 15:05:10.366 [7318] dbg: spf: checking HELO (helo=1.2.3.4, ip

Difficulty triggering SPF_FAIL

2015-07-15 Thread Jeremiah Rothschild
Hello, I am attempting to trigger SPF_FAIL (or SPF_HELO_FAIL) on a CentOS 6.6 box running SA 3.3.1-3. Upon funneling a message through SA, however, this is what is occurring: Jul 15 15:05:10.366 [7318] dbg: spf: checking HELO (helo=1.2.3.4, ip=5.6.7.8) Jul 15 15:05:10.366 [7318] dbg: spf

Re: What is the view re- SPF_FAIL these days?

2014-01-24 Thread Dave Warren
On 2014-01-15 09:36, hospice admin wrote: Hi Team, I was wondering what folks were doing with SPF_FAIL , TO_EQ_FM_SPF_FAIL and TO_EQ_FM_DOM_SPF_FAIL these days? I personally have never seen an FP with any, but understand from the reading I've done that some people do. My approac

Re: What is the view re- SPF_FAIL these days?

2014-01-24 Thread Thomas Harold
On 1/15/2014 12:36 PM, hospice admin wrote: Hi Team, I was wondering what folks were doing with SPF_FAIL , TO_EQ_FM_SPF_FAIL and TO_EQ_FM_DOM_SPF_FAIL these days? For our (small) site, we drop on SPF_FAIL at SMTP time using python-policyd-spf, with a whitelist to bypass the check for

What is the view re- SPF_FAIL these days?

2014-01-15 Thread hospice admin
Hi Team, I was wondering what folks were doing with SPF_FAIL ,   TO_EQ_FM_SPF_FAIL and   TO_EQ_FM_DOM_SPF_FAIL   these days? I personally have never seen an FP with any, but understand from the reading I've done that some people do. My approach has always been to combine with DCC/Pyzor/

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-20 Thread RW
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:38:49 +0200 Flemming Jacobsen wrote: > RW wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:33:49 +0200 Per Jessen wrote: > > > RW wrote: > > > > What I mean is that if I whitelist a private email address, the > > > > chances of a spammer ever sending me a spam spoofing that > > > > address

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-20 Thread Benny Pedersen
Den 2012-06-20 18:38, Flemming Jacobsen skrev: Because you use email to send yourself reminder notes or small files. I have addresses on several distinct systems (private, work, google, user group, ...). And I whitelist them because I do not want mail to get lost. with shared imap folders noth

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-20 Thread Flemming Jacobsen
RW wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:33:49 +0200 Per Jessen wrote: > > RW wrote: > > > What I mean is that if I whitelist a private email address, the > > > chances of a spammer ever sending me a spam spoofing that address is > > > very small. > > > > Happened to me twice only yesterday - somebody s

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-20 Thread Benny Pedersen
Den 2012-06-20 14:05, Greg Troxel skrev: That way I could do: whitelist_from -5 f...@yahoo.com AWL plugin basicly could be extended to use dkim/spf and more bound to whitelist_* so the awl score is more live calculated, with default awl its bound to 0.0.x.x/16 but it could be changed to /

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-20 Thread RW
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:22:08 +0200 Per Jessen wrote: > RW wrote: > > Not if someone sends an email through a different mail system, > > I think that is what "whitelist_allows_relays" is intended to take > care of. If it made a difference to the case I was referring to then it would effectivel

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-20 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 6/20/2012 8:05 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: I would like to see... As an open source project, we encourage people to submit patches and step up to coding on the project. You can really start small with one line patches and I'll do my best to support you. Regards, KAM

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-20 Thread Greg Troxel
My suggestion was intended to minimize the effect on existing behavior. I agree, it would probably be a very good idea to allow whitelist_from to be scored differently than the other whitelist variants, and to ship it with a smaller default score, but that change is fairly disruptive. I

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-20 Thread RW
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:33:49 +0200 Per Jessen wrote: > RW wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:25:53 +0200 > > Benny Pedersen wrote: > > > >> Den 2012-06-20 03:09, RW skrev: > >> > >> > The overwhelming majority of email addresses are never spoofed. > > > >> seen from my mta logs off sender add

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-20 Thread Per Jessen
RW wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:25:53 +0200 > Benny Pedersen wrote: > >> Den 2012-06-20 03:09, RW skrev: >> >> > The overwhelming majority of email addresses are never spoofed. > >> seen from my mta logs off sender addresses that miss the smtp auth >> password here postfix dont agree with yo

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-20 Thread Per Jessen
RW wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:14:11 -0400 > Jeff Mincy wrote: > >>From: RW >>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:43:57 +0100 > >>If used sensibly USER_IN_WHITELIST is probably the most reliable >> rule we have, for the overwhelming majority of addresses it's far >> more accurate than spf

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread Per Jessen
John Hardin wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Benny Pedersen wrote: > >> Den 2012-06-19 22:39, Kevin A. McGrail skrev: >> >>> I think that's the concept behind the whitelist_from_spf >> >> but some use whitelist_from, its nothing new there :=) >> >> can user_in_whitelist be changed to not have -100

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread RW
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:25:53 +0200 Benny Pedersen wrote: > Den 2012-06-20 03:09, RW skrev: > > > The overwhelming majority of email addresses are never spoofed. > seen from my mta logs off sender addresses that miss the smtp auth > password here postfix dont agree with you, if sender uses somet

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread Benny Pedersen
Den 2012-06-20 03:09, RW skrev: The overwhelming majority of email addresses are never spoofed. seen from my mta logs off sender addresses that miss the smtp auth password here postfix dont agree with you, if sender uses something belongs to my domain i may start asking for passwords, this c

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread RW
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:14:11 -0400 Jeff Mincy wrote: >From: RW >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:43:57 +0100 >If used sensibly USER_IN_WHITELIST is probably the most reliable > rule we have, for the overwhelming majority of addresses it's far > more accurate than spf based whitelisting. It'

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Flemming Jacobsen wrote: I finally got around to enabling SPF checks in SA. (v. 3.3.2, via spamd on FreeBSD) It appears that even though SPF checks fail (i.e. SPF_FAIL), USER_IN_WHITELIST still adds -100 points to the score. Since the sender probably is spoofed, should

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Jeff Mincy wrote: From: John Hardin I'd suggest instead a lint warning if it is used, alerting the admin that it's discouraged and that it has problems like this and is very easy to spoof. How about creating a different score for whitelist_from that is separate fr

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread Jeff Mincy
From: RW Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:43:57 +0100 On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:02:28 -0400 Jeff Mincy wrote: >From: John Hardin >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:44:29 -0700 (PDT) > >On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Benny Pedersen wrote: > >> Den 2012-06-19 22:39

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread RW
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:02:28 -0400 Jeff Mincy wrote: >From: John Hardin >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:44:29 -0700 (PDT) > >On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Benny Pedersen wrote: > >> Den 2012-06-19 22:39, Kevin A. McGrail skrev: >> >>> I think that's the concept behind the white

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread Jeff Mincy
From: John Hardin Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:44:29 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Benny Pedersen wrote: > Den 2012-06-19 22:39, Kevin A. McGrail skrev: > >> I think that's the concept behind the whitelist_from_spf > > but some use whitelist_from, its nothing new t

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread Benny Pedersen
SECURE_SPF (USER_IN_WHITELIST && SPF_FAIL) score WHITELIST_INSECURE_SPF 50 but since Flemming did not provide an sample there might be other options, eg why accept spf_fail in mta ?

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Benny Pedersen wrote: Den 2012-06-19 22:39, Kevin A. McGrail skrev: I think that's the concept behind the whitelist_from_spf but some use whitelist_from, its nothing new there :=) can user_in_whitelist be changed to not have -100 as default score, or is whitelist_from

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread Axb
On 06/19/2012 11:34 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote: Den 2012-06-19 22:39, Kevin A. McGrail skrev: I think that's the concept behind the whitelist_from_spf but some use whitelist_from, its nothing new there :=) can user_in_whitelist be changed to not have -100 as default score, or is whitelist_from

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread Benny Pedersen
Den 2012-06-19 22:39, Kevin A. McGrail skrev: I think that's the concept behind the whitelist_from_spf but some use whitelist_from, its nothing new there :=) can user_in_whitelist be changed to not have -100 as default score, or is whitelist_from planned for removements ?

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread Benny Pedersen
Den 2012-06-19 22:21, Flemming Jacobsen skrev: It appears that even though SPF checks fail (i.e. SPF_FAIL), USER_IN_WHITELIST still adds -100 points to the score. Since the sender probably is spoofed, should USER_IN_WHITELIST not be ignored/neutral (not sure of the terminology here)? nope

Re: USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 6/19/2012 4:21 PM, Flemming Jacobsen wrote: Hey I finally got around to enabling SPF checks in SA. (v. 3.3.2, via spamd on FreeBSD) It appears that even though SPF checks fail (i.e. SPF_FAIL), USER_IN_WHITELIST still adds -100 points to the score. Since the sender probably is spoofed

USER_IN_WHITELIST and SPF_FAIL

2012-06-19 Thread Flemming Jacobsen
Hey I finally got around to enabling SPF checks in SA. (v. 3.3.2, via spamd on FreeBSD) It appears that even though SPF checks fail (i.e. SPF_FAIL), USER_IN_WHITELIST still adds -100 points to the score. Since the sender probably is spoofed, should USER_IN_WHITELIST not be ignored/neutral (not

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 13:55 +, Martin Gregorie wrote: > YMMV of course, but it worked for me: when I put up an SPF record > backscatter, which had been a problem at the time, was dramatically > reduced. > > Now I don't see any backscatter except for the occasional 'mailbox full' > or 'out o

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread Benny Pedersen
Den 2012-03-22 15:05, David F. Skoll skrev: Hmm... OK. I may have been hasty. Assuming that the large providers like Google, Hotmail, and Yahoo reject SPF-failing mail during the SMTP transaction, I can see it making a measurable difference. are you saying yahoo using spf test, but not pro

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread Dave Warren
On 3/22/2012 4:19 AM, Martin Gregorie wrote: The only sensible use of SPF is to prevent backscatter. This seems to work well now that most domains are running SPF-aware MTAs. I don't use SPF for spam detection and can't see any benefit from doing so. Martin What site competent enough to use

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread David F. Skoll
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:09:22 -0400 Michael Scheidell wrote: > like ip/dns that is not 'round trip' consistent :-) > host colo3.roaringpenguin.com > colo3.roaringpenguin.com has address 70.38.112.54 > host 70.38.112.54 > 54.112.38.70.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer roaringpenguin.com There's

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 3/22/12 10:05 AM, David F. Skoll wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:55:50 + Martin Gregorie wrote: Disagreed. I don't believe SPF has cut backscatter down by more than a few percentage points. YMMV of course, but it worked for me: when I put up an SPF record backscatter, which had been a p

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread David F. Skoll
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:55:50 + Martin Gregorie wrote: > > Disagreed. I don't believe SPF has cut backscatter down by > > more than a few percentage points. > YMMV of course, but it worked for me: when I put up an SPF record > backscatter, which had been a problem at the time, was dramatical

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 07:45 -0400, David F. Skoll wrote: > Disagreed. I don't believe SPF has cut backscatter down by > more than a few percentage points. > YMMV of course, but it worked for me: when I put up an SPF record backscatter, which had been a problem at the time, was dramatically reduce

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
"David F. Skoll" wrote: >On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:19:04 + >Martin Gregorie wrote: > >> The only sensible use of SPF is to prevent backscatter. > >Agreed. For the record, I am not promoting spf_none. I am simply answering questions and letting the admin make the choice. >There is such an

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread xTrade Assessory
Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 10:26 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: The Domain in the From in the envelope, ameriton.com, doesn't publish an SPF Record: >> >> On 21.03.12 23:00, Piotr Kloc wrote: >>> I know that and I wanted to add some more score when there is no S

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread David F. Skoll
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:19:04 + Martin Gregorie wrote: > The only sensible use of SPF is to prevent backscatter. Agreed. > This seems to work well now that most domains are running SPF-aware > MTAs. Disagreed. I don't believe SPF has cut backscatter down by more than a few percentage point

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I committed score 0. I posted score 1 for the example requested. Regards, KAM Michael Scheidell wrote: >> I'm going to add this to the default rules with a score 0 so you can >> then just give it a score you want. >> header SPF_NONEeval:check_for_spf_none() >> describeSPF

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 10:26 +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > >> The Domain in the From in the envelope, ameriton.com, doesn't publish an > >> SPF Record: > > On 21.03.12 23:00, Piotr Kloc wrote: > >I know that and I wanted to add some more score when there is no SPF record > >its possible t

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
The Domain in the From in the envelope, ameriton.com, doesn't publish an SPF Record: On 21.03.12 23:00, Piotr Kloc wrote: I know that and I wanted to add some more score when there is no SPF record its possible to do this with Spamassassin ? the SPF can only give results (as FAIL, PASS, SOFT

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-22 Thread Per-Erik Persson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I would be careful about giving points to a non spf enabled site. My experience is that phishingattempts usually comes from stolen legitimate accounts on sites with spf enabled. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-21 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 3/21/12 6:19 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: I know that and I wanted to add some more score when there is no SPF record its possible to do this with Spamassassin ? I'm not aware of a "no spf record rule" but the underlying plugin looks to support what you want. I think you might find that t

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-21 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I'm going to add this to the default rules with a score 0 so you can then just give it a score you want. I also added spf_helo_none svn commit -m 'Added a default rule for SPF_NONE that is disabled with Score 0 for administrators to activate' Sendingrules/25_spf.cf Sendingru

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-21 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I know that and I wanted to add some more score when there is no SPF record its possible to do this with Spamassassin ? I'm not aware of a "no spf record rule" but the underlying plugin looks to support what you want. I think you might find that to be a poorly performing rule except in meta

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-21 Thread Benny Pedersen
Den 2012-03-21 23:00, Piotr Kloc skrev: The Domain in the From in the envelope, ameriton.com, doesn't publish an SPF Record: I know that and I wanted to add some more score when there is no SPF record its possible to do this with Spamassassin ? meta NO_SPF_ON_SENDER_DOMAIN (!SPF_PASS || !SP

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-21 Thread Piotr Kloc
> The Domain in the From in the envelope, ameriton.com, doesn't publish an SPF > Record: > I know that and I wanted to add some more score when there is no SPF record its possible to do this with Spamassassin ? Piotr

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-21 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 3/21/2012 5:48 PM, Piotr Kloc wrote: Hello ! I have question why Spamassasssin doesnt add the header SPF_FAIL in X-Spam-Status ? s61:~# cat sa.log |grep -i spf mar 21 22:42:40.285 [20073] dbg: config: read file /usr/share/spamassassin/25_spf.cf mar 21 22:42:40.287 [20073] dbg: config

Re: SPF_FAIL

2012-03-21 Thread Piotr Kloc
,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL,RDNS_DYNAMIC, TO_EQ_FM_HTML_ONLY,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) after checking it with command spamassassin -D < /home/admin/test.eml there is no SPF_FAIL Thank You

SPF_FAIL

2012-03-21 Thread Piotr Kloc
Hello ! I have question why Spamassasssin doesnt add the header SPF_FAIL in X-Spam-Status ? s61:~# cat sa.log |grep -i spf mar 21 22:42:40.285 [20073] dbg: config: read file /usr/share/spamassassin/25_spf.cf mar 21 22:42:40.287 [20073] dbg: config: read file /usr/share/spamassassin

Re: SPF_FAIL with SPF mechanism "a"?

2010-04-18 Thread Benny Pedersen
On søn 18 apr 2010 00:55:12 CEST, John Hardin wrote Checked into my sandbox as __SPF_FULL_PASS It should appear on ruleqa in a couple of days. super, i have more rule but will wait with them -- xpoint http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Re: SPF_FAIL with SPF mechanism "a"?

2010-04-17 Thread John Hardin
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010, Benny Pedersen wrote: meta SPF_FULL_PASS (SPF_PASS && SPF_HELO_PASS) if one of the corpus maintainers like to add it into there rule set, then please do, John ? Checked into my sandbox as __SPF_FULL_PASS It should appear on ruleqa in a couple of days. -- John Hardin K

Re: SPF_FAIL with SPF mechanism "a"?

2010-04-17 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tir 13 apr 2010 16:57:26 CEST, Patrick Schmidt wrote Do SPF_FAIL hit, because of SPF_HELO_FAIL or the existing SPF record of mail.isrigb.co.uk ? i have seen SPF_PASS with a SPF_HELO_FAIL meta SPF_FULL_PASS (SPF_PASS && SPF_HELO_PASS) describe SPF_FULL_PASS Meta: both spf test

Re: SPF_FAIL with SPF mechanism "a"?

2010-04-13 Thread Patrick Schmidt
Hello RW,Hi Mark, thanks for your time. SPF_HELO_FAIL and SPF_FAIL both hit! Do SPF_FAIL hit, because of SPF_HELO_FAIL or the existing SPF record of mail.isrigb.co.uk ? RW schrieb: > On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:36:12 +0200 > Mark Martinec wrote: > >> Patrick, >> >>

Re: SPF_FAIL with SPF mechanism "a"?

2010-04-13 Thread RW
pf1 mx -all" does not include "a:mail.isrigb.co.uk". But shouldn't that be a SPF_HELO_FAIL rather than an SPF_FAIL

Re: SPF_FAIL with SPF mechanism "a"?

2010-04-13 Thread Mark Martinec
Patrick, > i could use some help to understand a failed SPF check .. > SPF record for Domain isrigb.co.uk is "v=spf1 mx a:mail.isrigb.co.uk -all" Irrelevant. The SPF record in question is: $ host -t txt mail.isrigb.co.uk mail.isrigb.co.uk descriptive text "v=spf1 mx -all" > mail was send from

SPF_FAIL with SPF mechanism "a"?

2010-04-13 Thread Patrick Schmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello i could use some help to understand a failed SPF check .. SPF record for Domain isrigb.co.uk is "v=spf1 mx a:mail.isrigb.co.uk -all" mail was send from 82.70.121.82, which points to mail.isrigb.co.uk, and FAILED? Debug Log.. http://pastebin.c

Re: Howto stop SPF_FAIL from internal network?

2008-03-29 Thread Enrico Scholz
't be external :/ That's the internal/private host which sends the mail and generates the SPF_FAIL. There is no reason/way to make it external. >> result is SPF_NEUTRAL now as I added 192.168.0.0 net to SPF >> entry) > > non route ip range makes no sense in spf ... but seems to be the easiest way to prevent the false SPF_FAIL... Enrico

Re: Howto stop SPF_FAIL from internal network?

2008-03-29 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Thu, March 27, 2008 11:28, Enrico Scholz wrote: > "Benny Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> spamassassin 2>&1 -D spf -t /tmp/msg > /tmp/msg.spf.debug >> >> post the debug file > > https://www.cvg.de/people/ensc/spf_fail.txt info: generic: trusted_networks doesn't contain msa_networks e

Re: Howto stop SPF_FAIL from internal network?

2008-03-27 Thread Enrico Scholz
"Benny Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > spamassassin 2>&1 -D spf -t /tmp/msg > /tmp/msg.spf.debug > > post the debug file https://www.cvg.de/people/ensc/spf_fail.txt (full debug with configuration of | $ sed '/^\(#.*\)\?$/d' ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs | internal_networks 62.153.82.

Re: Howto stop SPF_FAIL from internal network?

2008-03-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, March 26, 2008 09:24, Enrico Scholz wrote: > | msa_networks192.168.0.0/16 spamassassin 2>&1 -D spf -t /tmp/msg > /tmp/msg.spf.debug post the debug file /tmp/msg is a email where it happends Benny Pedersen Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098

Re: Howto stop SPF_FAIL from internal network?

2008-03-26 Thread Enrico Scholz
"Benny Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>>> I have a problem that mails from internal (private) IPs generate >>>> SPF_FAIL hits. E.g. my configuration is >>>> | internal_networks 62.153.82.30 >>>> | internal_networks

Re: Howto stop SPF_FAIL from internal network?

2008-03-25 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Tue, March 25, 2008 10:40, Enrico Scholz wrote: > "Benny Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> I have a problem that mails from internal (private) IPs generate >>> SPF_FAIL hits. E.g. my configuration is >>> | internal_networks 62.153.8

Re: Howto stop SPF_FAIL from internal network?

2008-03-25 Thread Dave Pooser
> An SPF_PASS is pretty worthless But awfully handy for whitelist_from_spf. -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com

Re: Howto stop SPF_FAIL from internal network?

2008-03-25 Thread Enrico Scholz
Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I mean, is SPF usefull for a domain, when some hosts (even > not trusted) can send you mail from that domain, without > authentication? Why not? Senders from this domain are allowed from a certain IP only. Everything else shoul

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