Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Donnerstag, 6. April 2006 23:37 Theo Van Dinter wrote: > It's worth noting that I've seen signed mails get regularly mangled > when going through mailing lists, That happens when the list filters certain types of "content-type" and such sections. It's up to the list admin to fix that. > whic

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 11:20:24PM +0200, Michael Monnerie wrote: > Not exactly on SPAM detection rate, but on GPG/sig acceptance. If SA > could validate such sigs, there's a big benefit for *every* recipient, > 'cause if somebody forges e-mails with wrong sigs, it's marked as SPAM > and sorted

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Donnerstag, 6. April 2006 23:11 Bowie Bailey wrote: > And if a spammer decides to spoof that header?  The client has no way > to distinguish between headers added before or after it came to your > server. If SA runs it of course has to remove "old" such headers preexisting, and insert it's own

RE: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Bowie Bailey
Michael Monnerie wrote: > On Donnerstag, 6. April 2006 19:34 Bowie Bailey wrote: > > I think the real question is: "Is there a benefit to doing this?" > > I had an idea of a *really big* benefit: > > If SA checks the sig, and inserts into the header whether it's valid > or not, even clients *with

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Donnerstag, 6. April 2006 19:34 Bowie Bailey wrote: > I think the real question is: "Is there a benefit to doing this?" I had an idea of a *really big* benefit: If SA checks the sig, and inserts into the header whether it's valid or not, even clients *without* any GPG installation can have a

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Justin Mason
Bowie Bailey writes: > I think the real question is: "Is there a benefit to doing this?" > > You are creating a rule with a negative score. Negative scoring rules > are for the purpose of preventing false positives. Are you having a > problem with signed emails being marked as spam? If not, th

RE: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Bowie Bailey
Tristan Miller wrote: > Greetings. > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > FWIW: While this type of thing may sound like a good idea, it also > > opens you to a remote abuse of resources. If I'm a spammer and I > > want to annoy people, I'd start sending all of my mails wit

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Kelson
Tristan Miller wrote: > I could just steal/generate a real signature from another source... A digital signature is a guarantee that the document has not been altered. It's therefore impossible to "steal" a signature from another document and add it to your own; the signature wouldn't verify.

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Tristan Miller
Greetings. In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > FWIW: While this type of thing may sound like a good idea, it also opens > you to a remote abuse of resources. If I'm a spammer and I want to > annoy people, I'd start sending all of my mails with fake signatures. > Then the reci

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Justin Mason
Theo Van Dinter writes: > FWIW: While this type of thing may sound like a good idea, it also opens > you to a remote abuse of resources. If I'm a spammer and I want to > annoy people, I'd start sending all of my mails with fake signatures. > Then the recipients, who use this plugin, will get to s

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 10:21:27AM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > FWIW: While this type of thing may sound like a good idea, it also opens [...] Also, is this type of rule worthwhile? Yes, validly signed messages are unlikely to be spam (currently), but are signed messages regularly marked up as

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 08:57:34AM +0200, Michael Monnerie wrote: > I'd love to see this. For the moment, a simple check for an existing > signature could be enough to set negative points. If spammers adopt and > insert random pgp sigs, the real sig check could be activated. That > would need a

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-05 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Mittwoch, 5. April 2006 22:25 Tristan Miller wrote: > Anyone care to discuss?  Has anyone else prepared some SA rulesets > which implement any of the above checks? Sounds very good, I love to sign e-mails, even when most receivers can't check (is there some plugin for Outlook easy and free?).

Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-05 Thread Tristan Miller
Greetings. Has anyone considered the utility of having SpamAssassin score based partly on the presence and validity of an OpenPGP signature, and on the trust of the OpenPGP key? Here are some ideas: 1) So far I've never received any spam which has been digitally signed; on the other hand, I do r