Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-19 Thread Jo Rhett
Jo Rhett wrote: I'm kindof hoping that there will be some way to get SA to re-read the rules *WITHOUT* restarting the process. Jonas Eckerman wrote: Tell the daemon (or whatever) to reload the filter. The daemon creates one or more new SA object without closing it's listening socket/port/what

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-19 Thread Jonas Eckerman
Jo Rhett wrote: I'm kindof hoping that there will be some way to get SA to re-read the rules *WITHOUT* restarting the process. If your software that does it's own dameonization of SA by instantiating an object (such as MIMEDefang or IIRC Amavis), it should be possible. Something like this sh

Re: improving the sa-update process etc. etc. etc.

2006-10-19 Thread Jo Rhett
Nigel Frankcom wrote: My point, if not particularly well elucidated, is that individual problems with MTA implementations are the realm of the particular MTA author/s. Myself and many, many others have no issues with ALL_TRUSTED. This issue seems to be one that's limited to Amavis, a server that

Re: improving the sa-update process etc. etc. etc.

2006-10-19 Thread Nigel Frankcom
Please reply only to the list. There is no need to CC me since I get the post from the SA list. My point, if not particularly well elucidated, is that individual problems with MTA implementations are the realm of the particular MTA author/s. Myself and many, many others have no issues with ALL_TRU

Re: improving the sa-update process etc. etc. etc.

2006-10-19 Thread Jo Rhett
Nigel Frankcom wrote: On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:18:18 -0700, Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And as I've stated several times before, spamassassin *DOES* run. Always. It's just whether or not it's doing anything useful. When it can't talk to the sockets, it's dead in the water. Frank Bur

Re: improving the sa-update process etc. etc. etc.

2006-10-19 Thread Nigel Frankcom
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:18:18 -0700, Jo Rhett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> And as I've stated several times before, spamassassin *DOES* run. >>> Always. It's just whether or not it's doing anything useful. When it >>> can't talk to the sockets, it's dead in the water. > >Frank Bures wrote:

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-19 Thread Jo Rhett
And as I've stated several times before, spamassassin *DOES* run. Always. It's just whether or not it's doing anything useful. When it can't talk to the sockets, it's dead in the water. Frank Bures wrote: Interesting. Never came across that one. In my case if the socket is busy, spamd di

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-18 Thread Frank Bures
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:03:20 -0700, Jo Rhett wrote: >Frank Bures wrote: >> Or you can check that spamassassin is running after restart and if not, start >> it again. Also you can check that there actually was an update before doing >> the restart

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-17 Thread Jo Rhett
Frank Bures wrote: Or you can check that spamassassin is running after restart and if not, start it again. Also you can check that there actually was an update before doing the restart in the first place. Works for me :-) I do the latter already. And as I've stated several times before, spa

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-17 Thread Frank Bures
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 21:56:36 -0400, Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: >Jo Rhett wrote: >> Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: >>> For now, running an sa-update, then a spamassassin --lint, and then >>> restarting is pretty safe though. >>> sa-update [whatever] && spam

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-16 Thread Jo Rhett
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: eh... The socket issues experienced during restarts have nothing to do with sa-update. Other than that sa-update is the only reason I have to restart that process ... :-) No, it's been more than the script which stops the process has returned, but when the startup

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-16 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Jo Rhett wrote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: I've been having some issues with the restarts, and when that happens mail is down. I'd say that's an issue of it's own, regardless of what sa-update does. eh? eh... The socket issues experienced during restarts have nothing to do with sa-update

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-16 Thread Jo Rhett
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: sa-update already lints the updates themselves (at least what it can without loading any plugins). It'd be awfully silly to have it installing updates that it didn't think were any good. That's good to know. I've been having some issues with the restarts, and when t

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-16 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Jo Rhett wrote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: I overlooked a couple ways that you could legitimately break a --lint between updates, nobody else caught it either, so sa-update was (the only thing) broken for some people in the SA 3.1.6 release. SA 3.1.7 reverted to the simpler --lint check of the

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-16 Thread Quinn Comendant
I agree that it would be smart for SA to have a "graceful" restart functionality. But wouldn't it be more responsible for the rule-set distributors to simply test rule-sets before releasing them? Or is it a combination of rule-sets that can break things and testing all possibilities is not poss

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-16 Thread Jo Rhett
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: I overlooked a couple ways that you could legitimately break a --lint between updates, nobody else caught it either, so sa-update was (the only thing) broken for some people in the SA 3.1.6 release. SA 3.1.7 reverted to the simpler --lint check of the update itself on

Re: improving the sa-update process

2006-10-16 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Jo Rhett wrote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: > this case, it's just a coincidence that I happen to provide the SARE > sa-update channel infrastructure too. Well Thank You for that. I love sa-update. Thank Theo, he's behind sa-update. I like it too, which is why I'm willing to support the SAR