Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-28 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 11:18 -0700, omehegan wrote: > Lately a lot of 419 and investment spams > have been getting through with very low SA scores. Can anyone take a look at > these and see if there's another ruleset I should use to trap them? One thing I've been fiddling with for a while is a rule

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread SM
At 17:26 19-06-2009, RW wrote: The last hop into the internal network is rarely from Nigeria, but I find it turns up in X-Spam-Relay-Countries in about 9% of my own spam. Can you send me a sample of the email headers off-list? Regards, -sm

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sat, June 20, 2009 03:27, RW wrote: > It would be nice to automate this and keep track of real statistics, so > spammy routes could be auto-discovered. AWL plugin already does this pr /16 can be changed to track /24 /32 if one wants a bigger database :) -- xpoint

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread RW
On 19 Jun 2009 05:59:50 - "Chip M." wrote: > I would NEVER block the Netherlands (it _IS_ one of the Geekiest > nations on the planet!), however it does have many freemailers who > are often compromised, so when it occurs in COMBINATION with an > "unlikely" nation like Mexico, it's worth cons

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread RW
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:30:29 -0700 SM wrote: > At 15:36 19-06-2009, McDonald, Dan wrote: > >Of course. Don't you? Although usually the Nigerians relay through > >Italy, and sometimes Hong Kong. > > I don't see any email of that type originating from Nigeria in terms > of SMTP. Most of these

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread SM
At 15:36 19-06-2009, McDonald, Dan wrote: Of course. Don't you? Although usually the Nigerians relay through Italy, and sometimes Hong Kong. I don't see any email of that type originating from Nigeria in terms of SMTP. Most of these emails originate from other countries. Blocking Italy or

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 15:12 -0700, SM wrote: > At 22:59 18-06-2009, Chip M. wrote: > >Here's a dump of the complete Countries routes of your samples > >(frequency first, then square brackets around the IP immediately > >outside your own network): > > 2 [France], Nigeria > > Do you really get such

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread SM
At 22:59 18-06-2009, Chip M. wrote: Here's a dump of the complete Countries routes of your samples (frequency first, then square brackets around the IP immediately outside your own network): 2 [France], Nigeria Do you really get such emails from Nigeria? :-) Regards, -sm

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread omehegan
Chip M. wrote: > > Owen, particularly with 419/scam spams, it's VERY helpful if you > tell us more about your ham ecology. > > It would also be helpful if you told us about your FP pipeline. > For example: Do you have a corpus? Can you easily analyze > individual SA hits on ham, over an exten

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread omehegan
John Hardin wrote: > > That's not what I asked - are you _training_ as that user? That's often > the problem when bayes isn't behaving the way you expect. > > sa-update won't bring 3.2.1 up to 3.2.5; you're not getting the up-to-date > rules, which may catch those. > > That said, I'm gettin

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009, Chip M. wrote: 3. use a country of origin/route plugin #3 is somewhat controversial, and if implemented must be done VERY carefully. I've been looking into country-based IP blocking and it seems to boil down to two choices: 1) A Spamassassin Plugin named 'relaycountry',

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-19 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Fri, June 19, 2009 07:59, Chip M. wrote: > Always VERY good advice, particularly given the age difference. :) it should be noted that sa-update does not just fetch all new rules in newer sa versions, but it can be backported to have most rules if one want to make the work with it -- xpoint

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-18 Thread Chip M.
Owen B. Mehegan wrote: >Lately a lot of 419 and investment spams have been getting through >with very low SA scores. Can anyone take a look at these and see >if there's another ruleset I should use to trap them? Owen, particularly with 419/scam spams, it's VERY helpful if you tell us more about yo

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-18 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, omehegan wrote: Please trim irrelecant content when you reply, thanks. I have site-wide bayes, and yeah its rules are owned by the same user that SA is running as. That's not what I asked - are you _training_ as that user? That's often the problem when bayes isn't behavi

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-18 Thread Anthony Peacock
Hi, My results below... omehegan wrote: Here are two more of a type that have been getting through CONSTANTLY. They're always almost exactly the same, and I keep training them into my bayes DB but it's not hitting on them :( http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam7 Content analysis de

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-17 Thread omehegan
John Hardin wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, omehegan wrote: > > http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam1 > http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam2 > http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam3 > http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam4 > http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam5 > h

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-17 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, omehegan wrote: http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam1 http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam2 http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam3 http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam4 http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam5 http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam6 Here are two more of a

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-17 Thread omehegan
omehegan wrote: > > > > John Hardin wrote: >> >> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, omehegan wrote: >> >>> Lately a lot of 419 and investment spams have been getting through with >>> very low SA scores. >>> >>> http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam1 >>> http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam2 >>> http://

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-17 Thread omehegan
John Hardin wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, omehegan wrote: > >> Lately a lot of 419 and investment spams have been getting through with >> very low SA scores. >> >> http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam1 >> http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam2 >> http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam3 >> h

Re: Lots of 419/scam and investment spams getting through suddenly

2009-06-17 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, omehegan wrote: Lately a lot of 419 and investment spams have been getting through with very low SA scores. http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam1 http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam2 http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam3 http://www.nerdnetworks.org/spam/spam4 http://ww