Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread franc
OK, i updated it with cpan after uninstalling. But i had to change something in amavis-new, according to: http://o-o-s.de/?p=2735 And now my sa-config is in /etc/mail/spamassassin. Before, it was one level higher, which is really not important. -- View this message in context: http://old.n

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread Dominic Benson
On 17/09/10 11:21, franc wrote: In that case, uninstalling Spamassassin from Apt (and then doing an apt-get --autoremove to clear out Perl libs installed through apt/dpkg) and re-installing with CPAN should be fine, and you'll be able to keep it up to date. I use aptitude, is this the

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread Sergios T.S.(aka linuxman)
στις 17/09/2010 12:55 μμ, O/H Dominic Benson έγραψε: On 17/09/10 10:42, franc wrote: I doubt if this is possible on a VPS. At least the kernel is not changeable because coming from the host and is old enough (2.6.9). I guess an update to Lucid Lynx (10.04) will be if not unpossible but problem

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread franc
> In that case, uninstalling Spamassassin from Apt (and then doing an > apt-get --autoremove to clear out Perl libs installed through apt/dpkg) > and re-installing with CPAN should be fine, and you'll be able to keep > it up to date. I use aptitude, is this the same then? Will this uninstall a

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread Dominic Benson
On 17/09/10 10:42, franc wrote: I doubt if this is possible on a VPS. At least the kernel is not changeable because coming from the host and is old enough (2.6.9). I guess an update to Lucid Lynx (10.04) will be if not unpossible but problematic. So if i use CPAN and keep my Hardy Heron, there w

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread franc
> > If you can, upgrade to Lucid. If you can't - and don't ever plan to > upgrade the machine to a later Ubuntu release - then you could uninstall > and then install via CPAN, but I would fairly strongly recommend against > doing that if you have any intention of upgrading it in the future. In

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread Dominic Benson
This is just what i noticed: there is no Ubuntu package update after the 3.2.4-ubu1 related to: http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/hardy/spamassassin But how then to update? Can i use a package for Ubuntu Maverick (10.10) or is this the absolute wrong way? If you add hardy-backports to your a

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-17 Thread franc
Hi , in you sources.list you have 2 lines #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse Uncomment that lines and try to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 23:19:34 CEST, franc wrote OK, i put now till i am sure there is no more FP the threshold on -, 5, 10, 15 so between 5 and 10 it is delivered into the spam-folder, and with 10 it is bounced. rejected please, eg dont accept and bouce -- xpoint http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-t

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Sergey Tsabolov ( aka linuxman )
Hi , in you sources.list you have 2 lines #deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse #deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-backports main restricted universe multiverse Uncomment that lines and try to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
The next thing i just discovered is: $final_bad_header_destiny = D_PASS; with this rule, each Subject, containing 8-Bit, is sent to the quarantine folder. I didn't know this and now i am discovering many emails in the quarantine which were no spam at all :-) I commented it out: # $final_bad_h

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 15:10 -0700, franc wrote: > > I seriously hope you just mis-worded that. Bounce!? That would be after > > *accepting* a message, and with spam generally will be bounced to a > > forged, innocent bystander -- not the spammer. So please, tell me you > > actually meant to say REJ

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
> I seriously hope you just mis-worded that. Bounce!? That would be after > *accepting* a message, and with spam generally will be bounced to a > forged, innocent bystander -- not the spammer. So please, tell me you > actually meant to say REJECT. That is, not accept by the MX. No, i didn't know

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 14:19 -0700, franc wrote: > OK, i put now till i am sure there is no more FP the threshold on -, 5, 10, > 15 so between 5 and 10 it is delivered into the spam-folder, and with 10 it > is bounced. > > I think after a while i will know if i can put 2,5,6.31,10 or something like

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
OK, i put now till i am sure there is no more FP the threshold on -, 5, 10, 15 so between 5 and 10 it is delivered into the spam-folder, and with 10 it is bounced. I think after a while i will know if i can put 2,5,6.31,10 or something like this. Thank you for the hints! -- View this message in

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 20:37:07 CEST, franc wrote yes, spamassassin is the only thing to upgrade at the moment. I am running Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) and i installed spamassassin with aptitude. then i will suggest to try here https://launchpad.net/hardy-backports make a request for upgrade a

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 11:32 -0700, franc wrote: > > ... Do you train *both*, spam *and* ham? Any chance these > > have been trained incorrectly before? What Bayes score do they actually > > get? The X-Spam-Status header would be sufficient to see. > > > > The few lines of 'sa-learn --dump magic' w

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
> You're probably too late, Matus: you've got into his trash folder... ;) > From: Matus UHLAR - fantomas [mailto:uh...@fantomas.sk] > > > What if a friend of yours sends you an email asking to lend your > > > chronometer... --^ haha, this one is good! :-) But anyway, i didn't put an "i" t

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
> are spamassassin the only thing you like to upgrade ? > > what os are you running ?, and what package managedment rpm ?, cpan ?, > lastly dont mix cpan with rpm yes, spamassassin is the only thing to upgrade at the moment. I am running Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) and i installed spamassass

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
> ... Do you train *both*, spam *and* ham? Any chance these > have been trained incorrectly before? What Bayes score do they actually > get? The X-Spam-Status header would be sufficient to see. > > The few lines of 'sa-learn --dump magic' would be good, too. Oh, and you > are training Bayes as th

Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 03:26 -0700, Franc Walter(?) wrote: > > SA goes farther than your simple idea. Have a look at how Bayes works, and > > all the available SA plugins. > > I trained SA since months with all those chronometer-zeitmesser-spam and > only 5% is now set to spam. > I want to get rid

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 18:08:46 CEST, franc wrote http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/hardy/spamassassin But how then to update? Can i use a package for Ubuntu Maverick (10.10) or is this the absolute wrong way? ask a ubuntu maintainer, make a request for this in lunchpad seems to me next step if yo

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 17:47:12 CEST, franc wrote But before you go trying to play whack-a-mole with lists of poison-pill words (and deal with the FPs that result), you should try upgrading to the latest release. I would like to update spamassassin, but how? 42, na not this time, tell more on h

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 17:41:05 CEST, John Hardin wrote that result), you should try upgrading to the latest release. 3.2.4 is several years stale and is not getting any rule updates. Its performance _will_ deteriorate over time as the nature of spam changes. agree, but if the host os still h

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 13:59:39 CEST, Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote want to get rid of it immediately. Well, you may try putting this into /etc/spamassassin/local.cf, then: describe FORBWORDS Matches some forbidden words (dangerous) body __FORBWORDS /\W(?:viagra|chronometer|zeitmesser)/i

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
> Unfortunately Canonical probably is _not_ going to provide official SA > 3.3.x packages for Ubuntu 8.x... This is just what i noticed: there is no Ubuntu package update after the 3.2.4-ubu1 related to: http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/hardy/spamassassin But how then to update? Can i use a packa

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, franc wrote: But before you go trying to play whack-a-mole with lists of poison-pill words (and deal with the FPs that result), you should try upgrading to the latest release. I would like to update spamassassin, but how? The rule for reliability is "update the way you

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
> But before you go trying to play whack-a-mole > with lists of poison-pill words (and deal with the FPs that result), you > should try upgrading to the latest release. I would like to update spamassassin, but how? -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Blacklist-for-spam-wo

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, franc wrote: i don't know spamassassin not very well, i am using 3.2.4 on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. I need a textfile where i can put in blacklist-words like "Viagra", "Chronometer", "Zeitmesser" and so on, if an email has one of this words, this email should directly put to the

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Lucio Chiappetti
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, franc wrote: I need a textfile where i can put in blacklist-words like "Viagra", "Chronometer", "Zeitmesser" and so on, if an email has one of this words, this email should directly put to the "Spam"-folder. Are you sure you want to embark in a project like that and will

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
You're probably too late, Matus: you've got into his trash folder... ;) > From: Matus UHLAR - fantomas [mailto:uh...@fantomas.sk] > > > What if a friend of yours sends you an email asking to lend your > > > chronometer... --^ > > This is very unlikely because i have none. So even if he aske

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> > What if a friend of yours sends you an email asking to lend your > > chronometer... > > This is very unlikely because i have none. So even if he asked, it were in > vain :-) > > > SA goes farther than your simple idea. Have a look at how Bayes works, and > > all the available SA plugins. On

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
> > SA goes farther than your simple idea. Have a look at how Bayes > works, and > > all the available SA plugins. > > I trained SA since months with all those chronometer-zeitmesser-spam > and > only 5% is now set to spam. > I want to get rid of it immediately. Well, you may try putting this int

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Per Jessen
franc wrote: > >> You may setup a regexp rule in the /etc/local.cf file of your SA >> installation > > Could you give me an example, or where to find one? In the local.cf i > don't find RegExp-sections. body FRANCS_RULE /regexp/ /Per Jessen, Zürich

Re: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Yet Another Ninja
On 2010-09-16 12:29, franc wrote: You may setup a regexp rule in the /etc/local.cf file of your SA installation Could you give me an example, or where to find one? In the local.cf i don't find RegExp-sections. see http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/WritingRules

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
> You may setup a regexp rule in the /etc/local.cf file of your SA > installation Could you give me an example, or where to find one? In the local.cf i don't find RegExp-sections. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Blacklist-for-spam-words-tp29726548p29726801.html Sent from

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread franc
> > What if a friend of yours sends you an email asking to lend your > chronometer... This is very unlikely because i have none. So even if he asked, it were in vain :-) > SA goes farther than your simple idea. Have a look at how Bayes works, and > all the available SA plugins. I trained SA s

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Giles Coochey
> You may setup a regexp rule in the /etc/local.cf file of your SA > installation, but a simple rule like the one you suggest may easily yield > FPs (False Positives, ie: non-spam messages may get into your trashcan). > > What if a friend of yours sends you an email asking to lend your > chronomet

RE: Blacklist for spam-words

2010-09-16 Thread Giampaolo Tomassoni
> Hello, > > i don't know spamassassin not very well, i am using 3.2.4 on Ubuntu > 8.04 > LTS. > > I need a textfile where i can put in blacklist-words like "Viagra", > "Chronometer", "Zeitmesser" and so on, if an email has one of this > words, > this email should directly put to the "Spam"-folde