Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2006-11-04 Thread Ben Lentz
Yes- I would rather have correct results than just results. Okay, so the problem is with my MTA moving the Return-Path header below the Received headers. It's breaking spamassassin's ability to check perfectly compliant SPF records. I'm using stock versions of sendmail 8.13 on all my boxe

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Ben Lentz
Yes- I would rather have correct results than just results. Okay, so the problem is with my MTA moving the Return-Path header below the Received headers. It's breaking spamassassin's ability to check perfectly compliant SPF records. I'm using stock versions of sendmail 8.13 on all my boxes, so

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Ben Lentz wrote: _You_ are _welcome_. Get it moved? - Hmmm... Ala-kazamm! - Oh, that didn't work. Okay, so magic isn't going to get it moved, and I'm all out of ideas. I can only suggest starting another thread here or "somewhere else applicable" that asks "this is the software I'm using, wh

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Ben Lentz
Heh, That was supposed to be a joke; not very funny, I guess. - Original Message - *From:* Theo Van Dinter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent:* 09/29/2005 02:57:10 PM *To:* users@spamassassin.apache.org *Subject:* SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1 On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 02:47:05PM -0400, Ben Lentz wr

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 02:47:05PM -0400, Ben Lentz wrote: > SPF stuff. Technology vendors everywhere are telling me that if I > implement SPF and DK that the entire plannet will be spam free. Just FWIW: Those technology vendors are confused. Neither SPF nor DK are anti-spam technologies. They'

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Ben Lentz
_You_ are _welcome_. Get it moved? - Hmmm... Ala-kazamm! - Oh, that didn't work. Okay, so magic isn't going to get it moved, and I'm all out of ideas. I still don't understand why I used to get SPF_HELO_PASSes with 3.0.4 and I don't with 3.1. The world hasn't changed, just my SA version. I g

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Ben Lentz wrote: Here you go, the file has been _attached_. _thanks_. ;) The return-path header is in the wrong spot. It should be the very first line of the message. Get it moved and you'll be set. Daryl

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Ben Lentz
Uh, I believe it did. The test.eml file I attached was 2733 bytes long. The body portion of the email read "test", only 4 bytes by my count. The remainder of data is all headers. I'm hoping you're opening it in a text editor, and not a mail client. - Original Message - *From:* <[EMAIL

RE: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Ben Lentz wrote: > Here you go, the file has been _attached_. The version you attach has no headers. -- Matthew.van.Eerde (at) hbinc.com 805.964.4554 x902 Hispanic Business Inc./HireDiversity.com Software Engineer

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Ben Lentz
Here you go, the file has been _attached_. - Original Message - *From:* "Daryl C. W. O'Shea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Sent:* 09/29/2005 12:32:08 PM *To:* Ben Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Cc:* users@spamassassin.apache.org *Subject:* SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1 Ben Lentz wrote: I'm lost. The

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Ben Lentz wrote: I'm lost. The email I received contains the header: "Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]", so why would it be saying "spf: cannot get Envelope-From, cannot use SPF"? Usually it's a case of the header not being present during processing and being added afterward. If it's present w

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-29 Thread Ben Lentz
I'm lost. The email I received contains the header: "Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]", so why would it be saying "spf: cannot get Envelope-From, cannot use SPF"? I appreciate your patience. What appeared to be something that broke in a SA version upgrade is not looking more like a FUBAR in my

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-28 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Ben Lentz wrote: Okay, I've added always_trust_envelope_sender 1 trusted_networks 10.1.0.0/16 trusted_networks 205.246.7.107 and restarted. Still not acknoledgement that SPF is working for gmail.com. SPF-based whitelisting might be great, but at this point I'm still not confident that SPF is w

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-28 Thread Ben Lentz
Okay, I've added always_trust_envelope_sender 1 trusted_networks 10.1.0.0/16 trusted_networks 205.246.7.107 and restarted. Still not acknoledgement that SPF is working for gmail.com. SPF-based whitelisting might be great, but at this point I'm still not confident that SPF is working for me. H

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-28 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Ben Lentz wrote: Thanks for the info. I just added "always_trust_envelope_sender 1" to my local.cf and restarted. I then resent an email from gmail and still got no SPF. So, that didn't solve my problem. Am I incorrectly implimenting the standard? Do I need my TXT record to be located at IN T

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-28 Thread Ben Lentz
Thanks for the info. I just added "always_trust_envelope_sender 1" to my local.cf and restarted. I then resent an email from gmail and still got no SPF. So, that didn't solve my problem. Am I incorrectly implimenting the standard? Do I need my TXT record to be located at IN TXT smtp.channing-b

RE: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-28 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> SPF has NOTHING to do with the HELO/EHLO info. > > Actually it does. > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02.txt Oops, I'm wrong. But not entirely. Selected quotations from the above draft: SPF clients MUST c

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-28 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SPF has NOTHING to do with the HELO/EHLO info. Actually it does. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-schlitt-spf-classic-02.txt Daryl

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-28 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Ben Lentz wrote: The message is sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but shows up with no SPF information. Are you saying that the SPF records are supposed to be published along with the sending mail server's A record instead of with the domain? Like if the MX for channing-bete.com

RE: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-28 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Ben Lentz wrote: > The message is sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] but shows up with no SPF information. Are > you saying that the SPF > records are supposed to be published along with the sending mail > server's A record instead of with the domain? Like if the MX for > channing-

Re: SPF and Upgrade to SA 3.1

2005-09-28 Thread Ben Lentz
The message is sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but shows up with no SPF information. Are you saying that the SPF records are supposed to be published along with the sending mail server's A record instead of with the domain? Like if the MX for channing-bete.com was smtp.channing