Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Donnerstag, 6. April 2006 23:37 Theo Van Dinter wrote: > It's worth noting that I've seen signed mails get regularly mangled > when going through mailing lists, That happens when the list filters certain types of "content-type" and such sections. It's up to the list admin to fix that. > whic

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 11:20:24PM +0200, Michael Monnerie wrote: > Not exactly on SPAM detection rate, but on GPG/sig acceptance. If SA > could validate such sigs, there's a big benefit for *every* recipient, > 'cause if somebody forges e-mails with wrong sigs, it's marked as SPAM > and sorted

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Donnerstag, 6. April 2006 23:11 Bowie Bailey wrote: > And if a spammer decides to spoof that header?  The client has no way > to distinguish between headers added before or after it came to your > server. If SA runs it of course has to remove "old" such headers preexisting, and insert it's own

RE: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Bowie Bailey
Michael Monnerie wrote: > On Donnerstag, 6. April 2006 19:34 Bowie Bailey wrote: > > I think the real question is: "Is there a benefit to doing this?" > > I had an idea of a *really big* benefit: > > If SA checks the sig, and inserts into the header whether it's valid > or not, even clients *with

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Donnerstag, 6. April 2006 19:34 Bowie Bailey wrote: > I think the real question is: "Is there a benefit to doing this?" I had an idea of a *really big* benefit: If SA checks the sig, and inserts into the header whether it's valid or not, even clients *without* any GPG installation can have a

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Justin Mason
Bowie Bailey writes: > I think the real question is: "Is there a benefit to doing this?" > > You are creating a rule with a negative score. Negative scoring rules > are for the purpose of preventing false positives. Are you having a > problem with signed emails being marked as spam? If not, th

RE: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Bowie Bailey
Tristan Miller wrote: > Greetings. > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > FWIW: While this type of thing may sound like a good idea, it also > > opens you to a remote abuse of resources. If I'm a spammer and I > > want to annoy people, I'd start sending all of my mails wit

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Kelson
Tristan Miller wrote: > I could just steal/generate a real signature from another source... A digital signature is a guarantee that the document has not been altered. It's therefore impossible to "steal" a signature from another document and add it to your own; the signature wouldn't verify.

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Tristan Miller
Greetings. In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > FWIW: While this type of thing may sound like a good idea, it also opens > you to a remote abuse of resources. If I'm a spammer and I want to > annoy people, I'd start sending all of my mails with fake signatures. > Then the reci

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Justin Mason
Theo Van Dinter writes: > FWIW: While this type of thing may sound like a good idea, it also opens > you to a remote abuse of resources. If I'm a spammer and I want to > annoy people, I'd start sending all of my mails with fake signatures. > Then the recipients, who use this plugin, will get to s

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 10:21:27AM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > FWIW: While this type of thing may sound like a good idea, it also opens [...] Also, is this type of rule worthwhile? Yes, validly signed messages are unlikely to be spam (currently), but are signed messages regularly marked up as

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-06 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 08:57:34AM +0200, Michael Monnerie wrote: > I'd love to see this. For the moment, a simple check for an existing > signature could be enough to set negative points. If spammers adopt and > insert random pgp sigs, the real sig check could be activated. That > would need a

Re: Rule for OpenPGP-signed mail

2006-04-05 Thread Michael Monnerie
On Mittwoch, 5. April 2006 22:25 Tristan Miller wrote: > Anyone care to discuss?  Has anyone else prepared some SA rulesets > which implement any of the above checks? Sounds very good, I love to sign e-mails, even when most receivers can't check (is there some plugin for Outlook easy and free?).