Re: Identifying the real problem

2010-09-18 Thread mouss
Le 17/09/2010 00:34, Karsten Bräckelmann a écrit : [snip] I had in amavis-conf: $final_spam_destiny = D_BOUNCE; $final_banned_destiny = D_BOUNCE; should be much better like this: $final_spam_destiny = D_REJECT; $final_banned_destiny = D_REJECT; It was default with D_BOUN

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On tor 16 sep 2010 23:19:34 CEST, franc wrote OK, i put now till i am sure there is no more FP the threshold on -, 5, 10, 15 so between 5 and 10 it is delivered into the spam-folder, and with 10 it is bounced. rejected please, eg dont accept and bouce -- xpoint http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-t

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
The next thing i just discovered is: $final_bad_header_destiny = D_PASS; with this rule, each Subject, containing 8-Bit, is sent to the quarantine folder. I didn't know this and now i am discovering many emails in the quarantine which were no spam at all :-) I commented it out: # $final_bad_h

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 15:10 -0700, franc wrote: > > I seriously hope you just mis-worded that. Bounce!? That would be after > > *accepting* a message, and with spam generally will be bounced to a > > forged, innocent bystander -- not the spammer. So please, tell me you > > actually meant to say REJ

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
> I seriously hope you just mis-worded that. Bounce!? That would be after > *accepting* a message, and with spam generally will be bounced to a > forged, innocent bystander -- not the spammer. So please, tell me you > actually meant to say REJECT. That is, not accept by the MX. No, i didn't know

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 14:19 -0700, franc wrote: > OK, i put now till i am sure there is no more FP the threshold on -, 5, 10, > 15 so between 5 and 10 it is delivered into the spam-folder, and with 10 it > is bounced. > > I think after a while i will know if i can put 2,5,6.31,10 or something like

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
OK, i put now till i am sure there is no more FP the threshold on -, 5, 10, 15 so between 5 and 10 it is delivered into the spam-folder, and with 10 it is bounced. I think after a while i will know if i can put 2,5,6.31,10 or something like this. Thank you for the hints! -- View this message in

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 11:32 -0700, franc wrote: > > ... Do you train *both*, spam *and* ham? Any chance these > > have been trained incorrectly before? What Bayes score do they actually > > get? The X-Spam-Status header would be sufficient to see. > > > > The few lines of 'sa-learn --dump magic' w

Re: Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread franc
> ... Do you train *both*, spam *and* ham? Any chance these > have been trained incorrectly before? What Bayes score do they actually > get? The X-Spam-Status header would be sufficient to see. > > The few lines of 'sa-learn --dump magic' would be good, too. Oh, and you > are training Bayes as th

Identifying the real problem (was: Re: Blacklist for spam-words)

2010-09-16 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 03:26 -0700, Franc Walter(?) wrote: > > SA goes farther than your simple idea. Have a look at how Bayes works, and > > all the available SA plugins. > > I trained SA since months with all those chronometer-zeitmesser-spam and > only 5% is now set to spam. > I want to get rid