Re: md5sum/sha1sum signatures available, was RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-07-10 Thread Dirk Bonengel
Just to add my 2 Euro-Cent: Something like this might actually exist (in as far as gif-only spams are of interest). Bert Ungerer, an editor with the German IT magazine 'iX', developed a procmail-based AntiSpam-System he called 'NiXSpam'. One part of it is a list of MD5-has

Re: md5sum/sha1sum signatures available, was RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-07-10 Thread Rob Skedgell
On Sunday 10 Jul 2005 06:41, William Stearns wrote: > Good evening, all, > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Chris Santerre wrote: > >> From: Sven Riedel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:19 AM > >> > >> has anyone developed a good strategy against spams > >> that contain a random

md5sum/sha1sum signatures available, was RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-07-09 Thread William Stearns
Good evening, all, On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Chris Santerre wrote: From: Sven Riedel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:19 AM has anyone developed a good strategy against spams that contain a random text and the actual spam in an image within a multipart/alternative mail? Sh

RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-10 Thread Sven Riedel
Hi, > Check out the interesting idea at www.rulesemporium.com/forums/ > entitled: Image attachment MD5 footprint RBL Yes, that sounds cool. I wouldn't use MD5 though, since it would be rather easy to work around cryptographical hashes with simple automation. Not going into details here, don't

Re: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-10 Thread Pete O'Hara
Kelson wrote: Ben Hanson wrote: Hmm, scoring certain attachments (.gif, .jpg, etc) based on a calculated checksum (md5 or otherwise). Now that I think about it, I recall Razor used to run into false positives with one of the background images in a set of Outlook stationery (because some s

Re: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread Kelson
Ben Hanson wrote: Hmm, scoring certain attachments (.gif, .jpg, etc) based on a calculated checksum (md5 or otherwise). Now that I think about it, I recall Razor used to run into false positives with one of the background images in a set of Outlook stationery (because some spammers had used t

Re: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread Ben Hanson
Hmm, scoring certain attachments (.gif, .jpg, etc) based on a calculated checksum (md5 or otherwise). To be time efficient it would have to be an enable/disable option for older hardware, presumably. The disadvantages are cpu time, network traffic, the need for servers to store the checksum r

RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Chris Santerre wrote: > >There are image processing algorithms that are much better at 'looking' > >at two images and giving a 'distance' value. (Only problem is > >that they're > >compute intensive). > > Well then don't use MD5 :) > > Hell then just pull a sample from the imag

Re: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread E. Falk
Absolutely - that's why I said "scoring" rather than blocking. :) All I meant was that a few e-Bay phishers start using the e-bay logo, it gets marked as a "spam image" and all future e-bay e-mails will have +1 added to them. Shouldn't be enough on its own to counteract AWL, Bayes, etc. for a

RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: David B Funk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:16 PM >To: Chris Santerre >Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: RE: Gif-Only spams > > >On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Chris Santerre wrote: > >> >My onl

RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Chris Santerre wrote: > >My only comment on a system like this is that it could be > >easily subverted. > >A spammer could use automated image editting tools to randomly > >change some > >aspect of the file that would give it a totally different MD5 sum. Like > >changing the lo

RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Bret Miller wrote: > > has anyone developed a good strategy against spams > > that contain a random text and the actual spam in > > an image within a multipart/alternative mail? > > > > Short of entirely blocking mails containing images, that > > is. > > SURBL, URIBL Sorry, bu

RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread Geoff Manning
> Baby steps ;) Agreed!

Re: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread E. Falk
The other big problem I see is phishers (or spammers trying to poison the system) intentionally inserting images normally found in legitimate e-mails (eg, e-bay). You'd end up scoring all legit e-mails that image hash shows up in. Evan Sven Riedel wrote: Hi, has anyone developed a good strat

RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Geoff Manning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:45 AM >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: RE: Gif-Only spams > > >> Check out the interesting idea at www.rulesemporium.com/forums/ >>

RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread Geoff Manning
> Check out the interesting idea at www.rulesemporium.com/forums/ > > entitled: Image attachment MD5 footprint RBL My only comment on a system like this is that it could be easily subverted. A spammer could use automated image editting tools to randomly change some aspect of the file that would

RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Sven Riedel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:19 AM >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Gif-Only spams > > >Hi, >has anyone developed a good strategy against spams >that contain a random text an

RE: Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread Bret Miller
> has anyone developed a good strategy against spams > that contain a random text and the actual spam in > an image within a multipart/alternative mail? > > Short of entirely blocking mails containing images, that > is. SURBL, URIBL SURBL is included in SA 3.x, so if you haven't upgraded, this mi

Gif-Only spams

2005-06-09 Thread Sven Riedel
Hi, has anyone developed a good strategy against spams that contain a random text and the actual spam in an image within a multipart/alternative mail? Short of entirely blocking mails containing images, that is. Regs, Sven -- BAGHUS GmbH EDV und Internet