--As of August 25, 2014 4:00:15 AM +, Eric Wong is alleged to have said:
Daniel Staal wrote:
Good points, but inotify might still be overkill. `ls maildir/cur/
| grep ',.*S` will give you all messages that have been seen in the
mailbox, so you can run on a periodic schedule fairly easily.
Daniel Staal wrote:
> Good points, but inotify might still be overkill. `ls maildir/cur/
> | grep ',.*S` will give you all messages that have been seen in the
> mailbox, so you can run on a periodic schedule fairly easily. I'm
> not sure whether you need the immediate notification inotify gives.
--As of August 23, 2014 3:22:13 AM +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann is alleged
to have said:
On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 17:32 -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
Isn't inotify a bit of overkill for this? If you have a dedicated
maildir for training, you know that anything in maildir/new is, uh,
new. So you pro
Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> Eric Wong wrote:
>
> Eric> I always thought inotify was an obvious way to train for anybody
> Eric> using Maildirs on Linux, so I set it up for my server and
> Eric> basically forgot about it since it worked well. Fast forward to
> Eric> 2014 and I realize what I do is no
On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 17:32 -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> Isn't inotify a bit of overkill for this? If you have a dedicated
> maildir for training, you know that anything in maildir/new is, uh,
> new. So you process it and move it to maildir/cur. What am I missing?
The new/ directory is for del
On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 08:34:34 +,
Eric Wong wrote:
Eric> I always thought inotify was an obvious way to train for anybody
Eric> using Maildirs on Linux, so I set it up for my server and
Eric> basically forgot about it since it worked well. Fast forward to
Eric> 2014 and I realize what I do is
Hi all, I'm a happy SA user since around 2004/2005.
Since 2008, I've been using Linux inotify (via incron) to do automatic
Bayes training. Previously I did something similar using:
find ... | spamc -L ... via cron.
I also used to run several filters with SA (crm114+dspam),
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:09:59 +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas
wrote:
>> How ever I dont know if my db has reach the minimun 200 tokens to let
>> bayes testing work. Is there a SQL query to know this number?
> sa-learn --dumpdb should do that if you have correct parameters for the
> DB...
magic
--
On 12.08.09 11:32, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz wrote:
> Talking about bayes trying,
> I did setup bayes/SQL and i see all tokens in my db.
>
> How ever I dont know if my db has reach the minimun 200 tokens to let bayes
> testing work. Is there a SQL query to know this number?
sa-learn --dumpdb sho
Le mardi 4 août 2009 06:04:23, Matus UHLAR - fantomas a écrit :
> On 03.08.09 23:17, MySQL Student wrote:
> > We have accumulated quite a large list of whitelisted users, primarily
> > because they were previously tagged incorrectly. I've extracted a copy
> > of all whitelisted mail into a separate
On 03.08.09 23:17, MySQL Student wrote:
> We have accumulated quite a large list of whitelisted users, primarily
> because they were previously tagged incorrectly. I've extracted a copy
> of all whitelisted mail into a separate mbox.
>
> Certainly there is some spam in there as well, but assuming
Hi,
We have accumulated quite a large list of whitelisted users, primarily
because they were previously tagged incorrectly. I've extracted a copy
of all whitelisted mail into a separate mbox.
Certainly there is some spam in there as well, but assuming I only
learn the ham, would it make sense to
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Micah Anderson wrote:
>> Eh? Last journal sync atime is Jan 1 1970?
>> Try running: sa-learn --sync
>
> Doesn't seem to change the 'last journal sync atime' from 0.
[...]
> I'm using a mysql DB and I've got the following set in my local.cf:
SQL Bayes DBs don't h
Karsten Bräckelmann writes:
>> This shows me that I have no idea what these magic things are :) Does
>> this tell you anything useful?
>
>> 0.000 06798614 0 non-token data: nspam
>> 0.000 0 19136753 0 non-token data: nham
>
> That's quite a lot of ham
Adam Katz writes:
> Micah Anderson wrote:
>>> Also, to see how experienced your Bayes knowledge is - use "$ sa-leanrn
>>> --dump magic"
>>
>> This shows me that I have no idea what these magic things are :) Does
>> this tell you anything useful?
>>
>> 0.000 0 3 0 no
On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 02:02 -0400, Micah Anderson wrote:
> Dave Walker writes:
> > Micah Anderson wrote:
> > > I got a phish message that was understood by bayes as:
> > >
> > > -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
> > > [score: 0.]
Micah Anderson wrote:
>> Also, to see how experienced your Bayes knowledge is - use "$ sa-leanrn
>> --dump magic"
>
> This shows me that I have no idea what these magic things are :) Does
> this tell you anything useful?
>
> 0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db versio
Dave Walker writes:
> Micah Anderson wrote:
>> I got a phish message that was understood by bayes as:
>>
>> -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
>> [score: 0.]
>>
>> So I traiend with spamc -L spam but even after that I am still ge
Micah Anderson wrote:
> I got a phish message that was understood by bayes as:
>
> -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
> [score: 0.]
>
> So I traiend with spamc -L spam but even after that I am still getting
> BAYES_00. Shouldn't th
I got a phish message that was understood by bayes as:
-2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%
[score: 0.]
So I traiend with spamc -L spam but even after that I am still getting
BAYES_00. Shouldn't the training have bumped that score
since i do not know, how effective is it to train on snowshoe spam?
under what conditions is it good idea?
always?
under what conditions is it not a good idea?
thanks in advance...
- rh
On Tue, 7 Apr 2009, Jeff Rice wrote:
I'm wondering about the best training strategy for the bayes engine.
Most bayes classifiers seem to recommend that spam/ham be fed in either
alternating or random. SA seems to suggest that all of one type be
trained, and then all of the other type. In my
Hi,
I'm wondering about the best training strategy for the bayes engine.
Most bayes classifiers seem to recommend that spam/ham be fed in either
alternating or random. SA seems to suggest that all of one type be
trained, and then all of the other type. In my experience with other
programs (
> Hi,
>
>
> My problem is how to get enough ham for SA training in such an
> environment? What is a good ratio for ham/spam when training SA? Any
> other best practices that I can use in such an environment?
>
If using the sa-learn (imap stuff), have users copy email from their SENT
folder to t
Hi,
I am running SA in a hosted environment where SA is the MX and it
scans the mails and forwards to real mail server. We have report spam
facility where users report spam that went through SA. I am not using
bayes as of now but want to start using. To train bayes we have enough
spam (via user's
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> ham.spam emails. Kind
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yossim wrote:
> Hi folks, Hi can i learn miss identified junk mail that is store on
> exchange or at the otulook clients? Can i simply copy those mails to a
> folder on my Linux server and run sa-learn with the required parameters?
> Kindly regards, Yo
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Dhaval Patel wrote:
I installed spamassassin last night and I see emails in the spam folder. Since
I have
report_safe set to 1, it has a message in the body of the email stating that
the message
was caught by the spam filter and more details on the scores.
Now what happens when I do sa-learn o
I installed spamassassin last night and I see emails in the spam folder. Since
I have
report_safe set to 1, it has a message in the body of the email stating that
the message
was caught by the spam filter and more details on the scores.
Now what happens when I do sa-learn on this message? Will i
Hello everyone,
To better train our Bayes I thought about setting up two popboxes (spam@ and
ham@) on a local domain, to keep them hidden from the outside world. My
intention is to bounce there (by hand) false positives and false negatives.
I have modified exim's configuration to drop all non-lo
Joe Borg wrote:
> When spam messages and not detected, my users typically forward this
> spam as an rfc822 attachment to a special account
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I was then thinking of bouncing the actual
> attachment (spam) to another specific account ([EMAIL PROTECTED]),
Any reason you don't jus
-Original Message-
From: Loren Wilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 August 2005 11:43
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: Bayes Training
> As you can see the second 'From' is the true spammer, whilst the first
> 'From' is my own reporting acco
> As you can see the second 'From' is the true spammer, whilst the first
> 'From' is my own reporting account. My worry here is that bayes will use
my
> reporting account as a 'shortcut'. Is there any way of avoiding this (i.e.
> can I tell bayes to ignore the first from header but not the second)?
Hi,
I'm trying to figure out a proper way how to teach spamassassin new spam.
I'm using v. 3.04. My Setup consists of Sendmail and Spamassassin (via
procmail). Subsequently mail is retrieved by users using POP3.
When spam messages and not detected, my users typically forward this spam as
an rfc82
He's on a machine I administer. I have a "thing" about autolearn.
I don't do it. So this is not a problem for Loren. (It's too big
a pain to repair a self-mis-trained bayes database. So the neat
selectively trained bayes databases we have work quite nicely as
a result.) I cannot see the long term u
Jim Maul wrote:
It fixes my problem of list messages being autolearned incorrectly,
but i'd rather not scan them at all. Someone made a suggestion (and
patch) on the qmail scanner mailing list where you can optionally turn
SA scanning off using tcp.smtp from certain ip's. I may use this t
Very nice solution for my needs.
Thank you !
maurizio
Il giorno mar, 24-05-2005 alle 13:08 -0400, Jim Maul ha scritto:
> mizzio wrote:
> > Hello guys,
> > sorry to bother you again: I didn't find a way to exclude this mailing
> > list from SA scanning in my setup.
> > I'm using qmail + qmail-scan
Until i can come up with a way to not scan some emails selectively
using qmail-scanner (without procmail) i have setteled on using the
following statements in my local.cf
bayes_ignore_to users@spamassassin.apache.org
whitelist_to users@spamassassin.apache.org
This causes (most) list messages
mizzio wrote:
Hello guys,
sorry to bother you again: I didn't find a way to exclude this mailing
list from SA scanning in my setup.
I'm using qmail + qmail-scanner + spamassassin on my mailserver, the
only posts I found are about excluding the scanning with procmail (which
I'm not using).
I did
Loren,
it works:
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-56.2 required=4.5
X-Spam-Report: SA TESTS -100 USER_IN_WHITELIST_SA SA List 2.4 BAYES_50
BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4439]
One more question: I understand that in this way the mail are never
marked at spam, but they are auto
> I did not find a way of doing this through qmail-scanner: is there a way
> of doing this directly with spamassassin ?
Possibly someone else knows of a way with qmail-scanner. If not, you can't
"exclude" it with SA, but you *can* whitelist the list with SA. That will
probably be sufficient.
Th
Hello guys,
sorry to bother you again: I didn't find a way to exclude this mailing
list from SA scanning in my setup.
I'm using qmail + qmail-scanner + spamassassin on my mailserver, the
only posts I found are about excluding the scanning with procmail (which
I'm not using).
I did not find a way o
Thank very much Loren.
regards,
mizzio
Il giorno lun, 23-05-2005 alle 04:51 -0700, Loren Wilton ha scritto:
> > - I get some messages marked as SPAM coming form this mailing list,
> > since the body contains URLs and text from real spam messages: do I have
> > to feed them in my DB as ham or this
> - I get some messages marked as SPAM coming form this mailing list,
> since the body contains URLs and text from real spam messages: do I have
> to feed them in my DB as ham or this can cause some kind of bayes
> poisoning ?
The best thing is to avoid having the mail from this list go through SA
Hi everybody,
first post on this list so please be patient if I'm asking dumb
questions. :-)
I have a spamassassin 3.0.3 mail gateway which is working pretty well
and I train the bayesian DB everyday.
I have a couple of questions on this:
- I get some messages marked as SPAM coming form this mai
Stuart Johnston wrote:
Here is a project that will export the Mozilla Bayes tokens which
would at least be the first step. I'm not sure how hard it would be
to then import them into SA.
http://bayesjunktool.mozdev.org/
Wonderful! Thank you very much. I'll see about exporting my Mozilla
baye
Michael Parker wrote:
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 03:44:25PM -0500, Stuart Johnston wrote:
Bookworm wrote:
I've read through the archives several times, and hoped that over the
last year or so someone would build the functionality, or at least
mention it one way or another - I haven't seen it.
Is th
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 03:44:25PM -0500, Stuart Johnston wrote:
> Bookworm wrote:
> >I've read through the archives several times, and hoped that over the
> >last year or so someone would build the functionality, or at least
> >mention it one way or another - I haven't seen it.
> >
> >Is there a
Bookworm wrote:
I've read through the archives several times, and hoped that over the
last year or so someone would build the functionality, or at least
mention it one way or another - I haven't seen it.
Is there any way to take an already trained Mozilla bayes structure and
hand it directly of
Jo wrote:
Bookworm wrote:
I've read through the archives several times, and hoped that over the
last year or so someone would build the functionality, or at least
mention it one way or another - I haven't seen it.
Is there any way to take an already trained Mozilla bayes structure
and hand it d
Bookworm wrote:
I've read through the archives several times, and hoped that over the
last year or so someone would build the functionality, or at least
mention it one way or another - I haven't seen it.
Is there any way to take an already trained Mozilla bayes structure
and hand it directly of
I've read through the archives several times, and hoped that over the
last year or so someone would build the functionality, or at least
mention it one way or another - I haven't seen it.
Is there any way to take an already trained Mozilla bayes structure and
hand it directly off to SpamAssassi
I just had a chance to (finally) get back to this issue. I tried your
suggestion, changed the mode to 0777 and re-started spamd. Apparently
nothing changed.
I did however realize that bayes tests are listed in my log file, even
though they are not in the header of the msgs.
So, I have bayes
Jean Caron wrote:
>
> Here's the bayes related I had in there already;
> use_bayes 1
> bayes_path /home/bayesUID/bayes
> bayes_file_mode 0666
> bayes_auto_learn 1
> Jean
Suggestion: set bayes_file_mode to 0777 not 0666.
The bayes_file_mode is really a mask not literal permi
Alright. I find it strange that the defaults don't apply to my setup, but in
any case I added the following to local.cf and re-started spamd.
add_header all Status _YESNO_, score=_SCORE_ required=_REQD_ tests=_TESTS_
Here's the bayes related I had in there already;
use_bayes 1
bayes_path
Jean Caron wrote:
Really ? I never saw bayes score in the header. Sould ALL msgs have a
bayes score in the header ? Here's a sample header;
Received: from 80.231.10.208 by mail (envelope-from
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, uid 1001) with qmail-scanner-1.25
(spamassassin: 3.0.2. Clear:RC:0(80.231.10.208):S
Really ? I never saw bayes score in the header. Sould ALL msgs have a bayes
score in the header ? Here's a sample header;
Received: from 80.231.10.208 by mail (envelope-from
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, uid 1001) with qmail-scanner-1.25 (spamassassin:
3.0.2. Clear:RC:0(80.231.10.208):SA:0(1.5/2.0):. P
On Friday 15 April 2005 08:03 am, Jean Caron wrote:
> Again, how can I tell for sure ?
Look in the header and see what the bayes score was on the FN.
--
"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a brave and scarce man, hated
and scorned. When the cause succeeds, however, the timid join hi
Kevin, my comments/questions are inline.
Kevin Peuhkurinen writes:
Jean Caron wrote:
Kevin, your assumption is correct, user accounts are on the server and
spamc is used. I already have the central DB setup using bayes_path in
local.cf.
I think what you are saying confirms what I suspected,
Jean Caron wrote:
Kevin, your assumption is correct, user accounts are on the server and
spamc is used. I already have the central DB setup using bayes_path in
local.cf.
I think what you are saying confirms what I suspected, but it's still
not 100% clear. Even though I have a central DB, all use
Kevin, your assumption is correct, user accounts are on the server and spamc
is used. I already have the central DB setup using bayes_path in local.cf.
I think what you are saying confirms what I suspected, but it's still not
100% clear. Even though I have a central DB, all users must train it
Jean Caron wrote:
Folks,
I searched the archive, tried different things, yet I need to ask a
few questions.
I'm running SA 3.0.2 with Qmail/QQ 1.25, and procmail, on linux. Works
great. Bayes auto-learns ok, I run sa-learn from a "dedicated" user
every night for ham and spam. My logs show how ma
Folks,
I searched the archive, tried different things, yet I need to ask a few
questions.
I'm running SA 3.0.2 with Qmail/QQ 1.25, and procmail, on linux. Works
great. Bayes auto-learns ok, I run sa-learn from a "dedicated" user every
night for ham and spam. My logs show how many msgs were i
Robert Menschel wrote:
Hello Matt,
Thursday, February 17, 2005, 6:30:10 AM, you wrote:
[...]
Why do you receive these advertising emails? What defines a trusted
site?
As an example, I subscribe my domains through GoDaddy.com. Once in a
while, I receive notices such as a domain is going to expire.
Hello Matt,
Thursday, February 17, 2005, 6:30:10 AM, you wrote:
MF> I do have a question with regards to training. Once in a while, I
MF> receive advertisement e-mails from trusted sites. What is the
MF> best practice to handle these messages? Is it more prudent to
MF> sa-learn --spam them, or
I am very new to SA. I just set it up on Fedora Core 3 last week. So far
it has been excellent. I expect performance to even be better once Bayes
establishes itself.
I do have a question with regards to training. Once in a while, I receive
advertisement e-mails from trusted sites. What is the
At 05:49 PM 1/18/2005, Will Yardley wrote:
How smart is SpamAssassin when dealing with whitelisted / blacklisted
email addresses and the bayes module? For instance, is it necessary
to retrain email which is spam (and would have been marked as spam
other than the whitelisting) if the sender or recip
How smart is SpamAssassin when dealing with whitelisted / blacklisted
email addresses and the bayes module? For instance, is it necessary
to retrain email which is spam (and would have been marked as spam
other than the whitelisting) if the sender or recipient address is
whitelisted?
I really don't feel the need of any human intervention for training the
bayes. There is a script file called "sa-wrapper.pl" which takes care of
all the issues. Check out this link
http://jousset.org/pub/sa-postfix.en.html for more info on
implementation on tht. Follow the steps mentioned in t
Hi,
On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 03:33:14PM -0700, Loren Wilton wrote:
> Forwarding from OE will screw the mail over badly, you DO NOT want to do
> that. Probably the same from NS or most any other mail client, for that
Thank goodness I did not do it. Well, I will ask them to keep a copy of
mails o
> My users use OE or Netscape mail client to check their mails. Can I ask
> I am scared that if they *forward* their mails to that account bayes
Forwarding from OE will screw the mail over badly, you DO NOT want to do
that. Probably the same from NS or most any other mail client, for that
matter
Hi,
My users use OE or Netscape mail client to check their mails. Can I ask
the users to forward their mails to an account say "spam" to teach
SA? I am scared that if they *forward* their mails to that account bayes
might learn wrongly learn their addresses as that of spammers. Can someone
clear
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